[Sw-l] Presentation 42

Sat Jul 25 20:31:27 UTC 2015

Hi Charles and everyone,

For example, I live in Québec. Therefore, I use French everyday.  But I do
know the English language.  Even if I do not use the Google Translator
Toolkit, I can write many sentences in English.  I never translate from
French to English using the Google Translator when I write English often.

You live in Maryland and surely use English every day.  But you do know
Portuguese.  If you do not use the Google Translator Toolkit, could you
write many sentences in Portuguese?  Do you translate very often (not
sometimes) from English to Portuguese using the Google Translator?

Now, you also know ASL and LIBRAS.  If you do not use a translate feature
(SignPuddle), could you write often (not sometimes) and easily many ASL or
LIBRAS sentences?

If not, you surely often use a translate feature and you translate from
word-glosses to sign texts in order to save time. It would be false to claim
that you can write your own sign language because you often write your own
word-glosses using a translate feature.

Best regards,

André

De :  Charles Butler <chazzer3332000 at YAHOO.COM>
Répondre à :  "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages"
<SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
Date :  Sat, 25 Jul 2015 00:10:01 +0000
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Objet :  Re: Presentation 42

Andre, iff I am trying to get a readable gloss, I tend to use the translate
feature and work on how I would think in Gloss-Dependent ASL. I can write
directly what I sign, but for speed, I tend to use the translate feature and
then adjust it to get clarity.

Charles Butler
chazzer3332000 at yahoo.com
240-764-5748
Clear writing moves business forward.

   From: Valerie Sutton <signwriting at MAC.COM>
 To: SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU
 Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 8:01 PM
 Subject: Re: Presentation 42

SignWriting List
July 24, 2015

André wrote:

On Jul 24, 2015, at 9:23 AM, André Thibeault <atg at VIDEOTRON.CA> wrote:

> I posted a few messages on the SW list.  I am
> Deafian and I daily use the LSQ (Quebec Sign Language). I am unable to
> write daily
> with a mouse (SignPuddle online) many LSQ sentences without using any
> translation
> options.  However, I am able to write daily with a keyboard (Microsoft
> Word) many French sentences without using any translation options.  I know
> that Val does not like that.  I am sorry if I am too forward about this.
> 
> Val: Would I read any PowerPoint presentation
> using notes?  If so, how could I use them?

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Bonjour André -
Je suis si heureux de vous entendre à nouveau - il a été trop longtemps ;-)

Je l'ai lu et relu votre paragraphe ci-dessous plusieurs fois, pour essayer
de se souvenir et comprendre pourquoi vous pensez que je ne l'aime pas
"options de traduction" ... Je me sens mal - sourire - Je ne voulais pas
limiter quelqu'un - je utiliser les options de traduction tous les temps!
;-)

Peut-être que vous voulez dire en utilisant la fonction Traduire en
SignPuddle en ligne? Il est vrai que je préfère personnellement à écrire une
phrase directement dans SignText sans l'aide de la fonctionnalité de
traduction, mais vous êtes les bienvenus pour travailler différemment, André
- nous travaillons tous différemment et qui est une bonne chose ;-)

Beaucoup de gens sont d'accord avec vous - Et le logiciel de DELEGS est
idéal pour cette fin trop - à utiliser de mots gloses pour créer des phrases
équivalentes écrites en signes -

Je pense que votre entrée sur le sondage de l'enseignant est le plus
précieux ... et je suis en espérant que le Dr AbuShaira va étendre la
recherche - je vais partager votre message avec lui ...

Je peux vous donner des liens pour télécharger les présentations PowerPoint
... voulez-vous que? Est-ce que vous donner des notes? Voulez-vous
télécharger toutes les présentations PowerPoint?

Val ;-)

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Hello André -
I am so glad to hear from you again - it has been too long a time ;-)

I have read and re-read your paragraph below many times, to try to remember
and understand why you think I do not like ³translation options²ŠI feel
badly - smile - I never meant to limit anyone - I use translation options
all the time! ;-)

Maybe you mean using the Translate Feature in SignPuddle Online? It is true
that I personally prefer to write a sentence directly in SignText without
using the translation feature, but you are welcome to work differently,
André - we all work differently and that is a good thing ;-)

Lots of people agree with you - And the DELEGS software program is great for
that purpose too - to use word-glosses to create equivalent sentences
written in signs -

I think your input on the Teacher¹s Survey is most valuableŠand I am hoping
that Dr. AbuShaira will expand the research - I will share your message with
himŠ

I can give you links to download the PowerPoints...do you want that? Will
that give you notes? Do you want to download all the PowerPoints?

Val ;-)

> On Jul 24, 2015, at 9:23 AM, André Thibeault <atg at VIDEOTRON.CA> wrote:
> 
> 
>> I posted a few messages on the SW list.  I am
>> Deafian and I daily use the LSQ (Quebec Sign Language). I am unable to
>> write daily
>> with a mouse (SignPuddle online) many LSQ sentences without using any
>> translation
>> options.  However, I am able to write daily with a keyboard (Microsoft
>> Word) many French sentences without using any translation options.  I know
>> that Val does not like that.  I am sorry if I am too forward about this.
>> 
>> Val: Would I read any PowerPoint presentation
>> using notes?  If so, how could I use them?

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