[Sw-l] QUESTION: Is SignWriting a type of dual coding?

Wed Jan 25 02:12:30 UTC 2017

Well, if that is the case, then "no" -- or not anymore than I have to sound out each word in my head to read English.

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> On Jan 24, 2017, at 7:59 PM, Daniel Gagnon <daniel.g.gagnon at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> 
> From what I could find on Wikipedia it means that you encode any given concept in your mind twice. Once as the verbal (or signed) component of the language and once as its written form. You can equally think of the concept as either, you don't have to "translate" between forms.
> 
> So I guess we could simplify the question to : When you read SignWriting, do you have to imagine the sign to understand what's written?
> 
>> Le mar. 24 janv. 2017 à 13:59, <kegl at maine.rr.com> a écrit :
>> havn't a clue but will ask Spike
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 24, 2017, at 1:05 PM, Valerie Sutton <signwriting at MAC.COM> wrote:
>>> 
>>> SignWriting List
>>> January 24, 2017
>>> 
>>> Hi James!
>>> Thank you for this great explanation. It explains it so well!
>>> 
>>> Just one last question. What is a "dual" coding system?
>>> 
>>> Val ;-)
>>> 
>>> -------
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 24, 2017, at 9:57 AM, kegl at MAINE.RR.COM wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Romance languages use a phonetic coding system: each symbol (or sometimes combinations) represent a distinct sound.  Writers who know the code can PREDICT how to write the word (albeit not entirely successfully in English, given all the exceptions), and readers, even if the meaning of a particular word is not known, can predict how the word probably sounds.
>>>> 
>>>> SW accomplishes the exact same thing, except that signed languages, obviously, are visual rather than sound-based.  Hence, SW is "visually phonetic".  If you know the writing code, you can PREDICT how to write the sign, and when you see the written sign, you have a pretty good notion how to make the sign.  If you already are familiar with the sign, you will recognize it when you see it in its written form.
>>>> 
>>>> Deaf children learn to read SW just like hearing children learn to read Romance languages (being that they all rely on human brains.)  Most struggle at first with the phonetic code system (visual or aural) and soon adopt a whole-word approach -- which is what you are doing right now if you are reading this explanation (but not so much this ecksplanashun.)
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 24, 2017, at 11:55 AM, Valerie Sutton <signwriting at MAC.COM> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> SignWriting List
>>>>> January 24, 2017
>>>>> 
>>>>> I received this question...
>>>>> 
>>>>> QUESTION:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I was researching more on the dual coding theory of learning and there are articles about the deaf and dual coding or imagery.  I started wondering if SignWriting is a type of dual coding.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ANSWER:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you for this question.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am hoping that on the SignWriting List someone can explain to us what "dual coding" means. I am sorry that I do not know what it is.
>>>>> 
>>>>> SignWriting is not a coding system. It is a writing system. It is a way to write body movement. We can write sign languages with the SignWriting Script.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So SignWriting is a writing system for a series of languages - sign languages - just like A, B, C and the letters of the Roman alphabet write a series of spoken languages - the spoken languages of Europe, such as French, Spanish, Portuguese, German, and English - all use the Roman alphabet symbols to write their unique languages...
>>>>> 
>>>>> So the SignWriting symbols are used to write any sign language in the world. The person writing has to know their own sign language, and then they write what they feel and see...
>>>>> 
>>>>> So, no, I would not call it a coding system, but then again, I do not know what a dual coding system is ;-)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Val ;-)
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> <Valerie Sutton Name Sign.png>
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Valerie Sutton
>>>>> sutton at signwriting.org
>>>>> 
>>>>> SignWriting
>>>>> Read & Write Sign Languages
>>>>> http://www.SignWriting.org
>>>>> 
>>>>> SignWriting List
>>>>> Technical Support: Ask questions...
>>>>> http://www.SignWriting.org/forums/swlist
>>>>> 
>>>>> SignWriting Symposium Online
>>>>> Live Streaming Presentations on YouTube
>>>>> http://www.SignWriting.org/symposium
>>>>> 
>>>>> SignWriting Software
>>>>> Use SignPuddle, SignWriter, Delegs
>>>>> Write Sign Documents & Dictionaries
>>>>> http://www.signwriting.org/downloads
>>>>> http://www.signwriting.org/forums/software/
>>>>> 
>>>>> SignWriting Encyclopedia Projects
>>>>> Writing Encyclopedias in Sign Languages
>>>>> http://www.SignWriting.org/encyclopedia
>>>>> 
>>>>> American Sign Language Wikipedia
>>>>> https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/ase
>>>>> 
>>>>> Tunisian Sign Language Wikipedia
>>>>> https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/tse
>>>>> 
>>>>> SignWriting Shop
>>>>> Books, DVDs, Lessons, Services
>>>>> http://www.SignWriting.org/shop
>>>>> 
>>>>> SignWriting on Twitter
>>>>> http://twitter.com/signwriting
>>>>> https://twitter.com/ASLWikipedia
>>>>> 
>>>>> SignWriting on YouTube
>>>>> http://youtube.com/signwriting
>>>>> 
>>>>> SignWriting on Facebook
>>>>> http://facebook.com/SignWriting
>>>>> 
>>>>> Deaf Action Committee For SignWriting
>>>>> Center For Sutton Movement Writing
>>>>> a US educational nonprofit organization
>>>>> PO Box 517, La Jolla, CA, 92038, USA
>>>>> Tel: 858-456-0098  Skype: valeriesutton
>>>>> 
>>>>> ________________________________________________
>>>>> 
>>>>> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION
>>>>> 
>>>>> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org
>>>>> 
>>>>> Post Messages to the SignWriting List: sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu
>>>>> 
>>>>> SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist
>>>>> 
>>>>> Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1
>>>>> 
>>>> ________________________________________________
>>>> 
>>>> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION
>>>> 
>>>> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org 
>>>> 
>>>> Post Messages to the SignWriting List: sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu
>>>> 
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>>>> 
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>>> 
>>> Val ;-)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> <Valerie Sutton Name Sign.png>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Valerie Sutton
>>> sutton at signwriting.org
>>> 
>>> SignWriting
>>> Read & Write Sign Languages
>>> http://www.SignWriting.org
>>> 
>>> SignWriting List
>>> Technical Support: Ask questions...
>>> http://www.SignWriting.org/forums/swlist
>>> 
>>> SignWriting Symposium Online
>>> Live Streaming Presentations on YouTube
>>> http://www.SignWriting.org/symposium
>>> 
>>> SignWriting Software
>>> Use SignPuddle, SignWriter, Delegs
>>> Write Sign Documents & Dictionaries
>>> http://www.signwriting.org/downloads
>>> http://www.signwriting.org/forums/software/
>>> 
>>> SignWriting Encyclopedia Projects
>>> Writing Encyclopedias in Sign Languages
>>> http://www.SignWriting.org/encyclopedia
>>> 
>>> American Sign Language Wikipedia
>>> https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/ase
>>> 
>>> Tunisian Sign Language Wikipedia
>>> https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/tse
>>> 
>>> SignWriting Shop
>>> Books, DVDs, Lessons, Services
>>> http://www.SignWriting.org/shop
>>> 
>>> SignWriting on Twitter
>>> http://twitter.com/signwriting
>>> https://twitter.com/ASLWikipedia
>>> 
>>> SignWriting on YouTube
>>> http://youtube.com/signwriting
>>> 
>>> SignWriting on Facebook
>>> http://facebook.com/SignWriting
>>> 
>>> Deaf Action Committee For SignWriting
>>> Center For Sutton Movement Writing
>>> a US educational nonprofit organization
>>> PO Box 517, La Jolla, CA, 92038, USA
>>> Tel: 858-456-0098  Skype: valeriesutton
>>> 
>>> ________________________________________________
>>> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION
>>> 
>>> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org
>>> 
>>> Post Messages to the SignWriting List: sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu
>>> 
>>> SignWriting List Archives & Home Page http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist
>>> 
>>> Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1
>>> 
>> ________________________________________________
>> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION
>> 
>> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org
>> 
>> Post Messages to the SignWriting List: sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu
>> 
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>> 
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> ________________________________________________
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> 
> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org
> 
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> 
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> 
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