[Sw-l] The meaning of some dynamic signs

Mon Mar 16 20:37:03 UTC 2020

Here is an example of Un-Even Alternating Circles -

http://www.signwriting.org/lessons/elessons/less059.html

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On March 16, 2020 at 1:26 PM, Valerie Sutton <0000001342802f5f-dmarc-request at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU> wrote:

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March 16, 2020

Thank you for this question:
"What if they move in the same direction but one hand is a little later than the other?"

Answer:
That sounds like "Un-Even Alternating" - One moves and then the second one moves later...and so forth.

In the attached example, in the ASL sign for POLKA DOT, the touching on the dress is not at the same time. One hand touches while the other hand does not, and then the other hand touches and moves while the other one stays still. So it is "one after the other" down the dress - one is moving a little bit later, and the next after that, and so forth:

On March 16, 2020 at 10:42 AM, Valerie Sutton <0000001342802f5f-dmarc-request at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU> wrote:

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March 16, 2020

Hello Mark (Tuệ Đinh Cao) -
This morning when I accessed your Singapore Sign Language (SgSL) dictionary and literature files on SignPuddle Online, I was so impressed. I see there are 1123 entries in the dictionary and 12 entries of SgSL literature written.

We just created those empty new files for you recently. You must be working day and night. Thank you for your contribution to writing sign languages.

Singapore Sign Language Dictionary
http://signbank.org/sp20/index.php?ui=1&sgn=11

Singapore Sign Language Literature
https://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/index.php?ui=1&sgn=14

Later I will be happy to go over some of the signs that are written there, to give you feedback, if you would like.

Now to one of your questions...

Mark asked: 
Btw, 2 tie means that they move at the same time AND in the same direction, isn’t it?

No.

SignWriting has its own terminology. In SignWriting, "Alternating Lines" means "2 movements moving in OPPOSITE directions at the SAME time." The directions alternate - move back and forth at the same time - that is our definition.

Even though this symbol exists and can be used, it is actually rarely needed, because if one knows how to read a sign from the center out, then you can see already that the two hands move at the "same time in opposite directions".

So it is ok to write with or without the Alternating Lines. It is up to each writer.

Here are two examples. The ASL signs COMMUNICATE and VARIOUS can be read accurately with or without the Alternating Lines.

On March 15, 2020 at 4:03 PM, Tuệ Đinh Cao <dinhcaotue03 at GMAIL.COM> wrote:

Thank you, Ms Val!

What if they move in the same direction but one hand is a little later than the other? Btw, 2 tie means that they move at the same time AND in the same direction, isn’t it?

On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 06:30 Valerie Sutton <0000001342802f5f-dmarc-request at listserv.valenciacollege.edu> wrote:
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March 15, 2020

Attached is a listing of the Dynamics Symbols, from page 183, in the Lessons in SignWriting Textbook.

A single curved line means that the two hands are moving exactly at the same time. "Simultaenous" means at the same time.

A double curved line (stacked on top of each other) means that the two hands move at the same time, BUT, one moves in one direction while simultaneously the other hand moves in the opposite direction. It is "simultaneous but alternating" movement.

Two curved lines that are "staggered" mean that one hand moves while the other one stays still, and then that hand stays still while the other one moves. So they are NOT "simultaneous" but "staggered" - one stays still while the other moves and then the other stays still while the other moves and so forth...  Natasha's example (in the previous attachment) of "Do you want to ask me questions?" shows that one hand moves alone and then it stops while the other hand moves alone and so forth...

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On March 15, 2020 at 3:17 PM, Valerie Sutton <0000001342802f5f-dmarc-request at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU> wrote:

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March 15, 2020

DYNAMICS SYMBOLS

Let us look at a document written by Natasha Escalada-Westland, an ASL and SignWriting instructor, who presented at the SignWriting Symposium in 2014. 

Natasha's Presentation 0009 in 2014:
https://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0009.html

Natasha presented over 17 documents on SignWriting on that web page. One teaches Dynamics. Here is one page from that Dynamics document:

To be continued...

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