[Sw-l] [SPAM] Re: [SW-L] Tamanho de alguns s ímbolos

Wed Apr 28 15:12:45 UTC 2021

Thanks, Adam and Valerie!

It seems that there is still a doubt between you. I know the system is
already 46 years old😁! I hope you find a more detailed description in old
documents.

I have always used these symbols as described by Valerie. If there is
little space to write them, I select the smaller symbols. However, some
researchers here follow the perspective described by Adam that the smallest
symbols are for the movement of one finger and the largest for all fingers.

The excellent book by Madson and Raquel, I learned a lot from them, does
not talk about different sizes for the symbols of finger movements. I
constantly refer to the ISWA 2010 reference manual.

I had already watched Adam's videos. They are very good! About this
particular video, some researchers here believe that the squeeze movement
symbol replaces the fist handshape.

That is why they write the sign of love, in Libras, like this:

[image: image.png]

meaning this:

[image: image.png]

Or they write like this for to hold:

[image: image.png]

To say this correctly:

[image: image.png]

Until next time!
Josenilson

Em ter., 27 de abr. de 2021 às 13:08, Física em Libras <
tr.vanessa.ferreira at gmail.com> escreveu:

> I usually use them to register if the Finger open just a little or wide
> open.
>
> Vanessa Cristina da Silva Ferreira
>
> Mestranda em Educação em Ciências e Matemática/PPGEduCIMAT/UFRRJ
> Licenciada em Física/UFRRJ
> Colaboradora do Coletivo PNE/UFRRJ
> Colaboradora do Projeto Cultura Visual - Imersão na Libras - DLC/UFRRJ
> Colaboradora do Projeto Meninas do Radium - LEFERCE - UFRRJ
>
> Em seg, 26 de abr de 2021 20:28, Valerie Sutton <
> 0000001342802f5f-dmarc-request at listserv.valenciacollege.edu> escreveu:
>
>> Hi Adam -
>> I appreciate your answer truly. ;-)
>>
>> I guess I meant “more than one finger” - I am not sure either - I am
>> trying to remember why we put two different sizes in the ISWA 2010 - it was
>> a lot of work to do that - Originally I did the dot-by-dot development for
>> the pngs, and then you did the SVG (thank you so much, Adam ;-). So when
>> you think about it, there had to be a reason!
>>
>> For those who might be interested, Adam did videos teaching these symbols:
>>
>> https://youtu.be/F4wIpupyNtY
>>
>> I will write again when I find a really good answer ;-)
>>
>> Val ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 26, 2021, at 4:17 PM, Adam Frost <icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>
>> I am not sure about the meaning of “more than one”. In fact, when you put
>> it that way, it doesn’t seem right. :-)
>>
>> Like I said, I don't personally write with the smaller symbols, so it is
>> possible I understand it wrong. :-)
>>
>> Yes, I think we need to check out the older documents. :-)
>>
>> <namesign.png>
>> Adam
>>
>> On Apr 26, 2021, at 4:08 PM, Valerie Sutton <sutton at DANCEWRITING.ORG>
>> wrote:
>>
>> SignWriting List
>> April 26, 2021
>>
>> QUESTION: Small and large Finger Movement Symbols - does size mean how
>> many fingers move?
>>
>> ANSWER: No. My memory was that the Size is there just for convenience
>> when writing. Some signs need more space to write and so the smaller size
>> is useful in those cases, and some signs look better with the larger
>> symbol. I see Adam feels they do mean “more than one”, but no matter what,
>> they are “one time movement”. If they move “open-open” - in other words -
>> two movements in a row - then there are two written -
>>
>> Let me look up our early textbooks to be sure of all this (smile)! Did
>> you know that the system in 46 years old? And some of these particulars
>> evolved over time - so it would be good to review it -
>>
>> What did Madson and Raquel’s book “SignWriting Without Mysteries” say?
>>
>> The symbols are listed in the ISWA 2010 HTML Reference Manual Online.
>> Here is Group 12:
>>
>> https://www.signbank.org/iswa/216_sg.html
>>
>> <Group12.png>
>>
>>
>> ________________________
>>
>>
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>> April 26, 2021
>>
>> English Translation from Google:
>>
>> Dear Valerie and Adam Frost, A question arose among some fellow
>> SignWriting researchers as to why these symbols have different sizes. When
>> should we write the largest and when should we write the smallest? Does it
>> have anything to do with the amount of fingers that move?
>> <image.png> Grateful for the attention! Josenilson Mendes
>>
>> ____________
>>
>> On Apr 26, 2021, at 3:20 PM, Josenilson da Silva Mendes <jsm88b at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Caros Valerie e Adam Frost,
>>
>> Surgiu uma dúvida entre alguns colegas pesquisadores de escrita de sinais
>> sobre a razão pela qual estes símbolos têm tamanhos diferentes. Quando
>> devemos escrever o maior e quando escrever o menor? Tem alguma relação com
>> a quantidade de dedos que se movem?
>> <image.png>
>> Grato pela atenção!
>> Josenilson Mendes
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