[Sw-l] HoopWriting: kick-out

Thu Aug 19 22:29:51 UTC 2021

SignWriting List
August 19, 2021

Thank you, Sutthikhun (Ae), and Suzanne, for this discussion!

Sutthikhun has very gently introduced DanceWriting here - thank you for doing this.

And thank you for referring to an old DanceWriting textbook that can be downloaded on the web, and I am grateful that you have studied it and learned so much DanceWriting from it - it was produced by hand in 1979, and can be downloaded here:

https://www.dancewriting.org/archive/dw0005_DanceWriting_For_Modern_and_Jazz_Dance_1979.pdf

So without too many words, I will try in the next few messages to show Feet symbols, Hip Symbols, and the Side Wall, already written here so well. And then the question of the movement of the knee and Tilting - Tilting will be valuable for Signwriters too -

More soon…. Val ;-)

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> On Aug 19, 2021, at 2:29 PM, Sutthikhun Phaengphongsai <suttikunep at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Hi Suzanne, 
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> This drawing introduces various symbols from Sutton, V. (1979), including a wall, a unit tilt, a joint-circular rotation, and 3-D position symbols.
> I assume that the hoop's circular motion is induced by the knee's circular motion. Thus, the joint-circular rotation should be represented as a symbol for this kind of movement.
> When the knee is rotated, the center of the body must physically move in the same direction. To express this movement, the unit tilt symbol should be used. Nevertheless, I'm not sure if this is the correct use of this symbol because it's a circular tilt, not linear.
> In addition, underneath the foot line, I included the two 3-D position symbols, in-out for the arms and up-down for the legs, to illustrate the positions of the arms, legs, as well as facing direction.
> The direction of facing the wall is indicated by the wall symbol on the mover's left. The wall symbol could be written to the left or the right of the mover, across the foot line. The symbol must be placed on the left side of the mover because the mover is facing left from the perspective of the audience,
> Reference
> Sutton, V. (1979). Dance writing for modern and jazz dance. Sutton Movement Writing Press.
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> Sutthikhun
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> On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 at 21:55, Valerie Sutton <sutton at signwriting.org <mailto:sutton at signwriting.org>> wrote:
> SignWriting List
> August 19, 2021
> 
> Hello SignWriting List members and Suzanne!
> 
> Thank you Suzanne for this posting on HoopWriting. I'm glad to discuss this new development on the SignWriting list.
> 
> Before we start discussing the details of HoopWriting, I would like to share with the SignWriting List members a little bit about your history with SignWriting.
> 
> Suzanne is skilled in SignWriting and years ago taught a SignWriting workshop in England, wrote literature in British Sign Language, and even posted a SignWriting Blog. Plus, Suzanne developed SignWriting Games - very useful games that are used in the classroom to teach SignWriting, and I know there are SW teachers using your games, Suzanne, around the world to this day. So thank you for your SignWriting contributions. I will find the links for these later.
> 
> And your new development, HoopWriting, is so interesting. Is this connected to the acrobatic dancing with hoops that is one of the sports in the Olympics? What do people use the hoops for? Is it a popular sport?
> 
> And before we begin with the details, there are several List members who are not on Facebook. So I do not believe most people have seen your postings on HoopWriting on Facebook, and even I would have to turn on Facebook and look for them. I can do that if you wish. I think it would be a good idea to see more than one diagram when we discuss the technical details.
> 
> Regarding using a double right arrowhead the way that you have written it - the double arrowhead on arrows, that show right or left with dark or light, are used for arm, wrist or hand movements. They use that style of arrow in written Nicaraguan Sign Language, and perhaps others do it too. Straight arrows with a stem line and a right or a left arrowhead, in our writing system, represent an actual traveling movement for arms, wrists or hands.
> 
> But for the lower body, related to the knee bending several times in succession? Is that what is happening? There are smaller arrows that do not have a dark arrowhead, that are used for weight changes, placed under the foot, that might be more appropriate in this case. But we will need to discuss this further when I understand the movement.
> 
> So can you give us links to some of your Facebook postings of HoopWriting? And let’s talk more here on the SignWriting List later.
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> I look forward to it ;-)
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> 
> Val ;-)
> 
> Valerie Sutton
> sutton at signwiting.org <mailto:sutton at signwiting.org>
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>> On Aug 18, 2021, at 10:21 AM, Suzanne Pach <suzannepach at gmail.com <mailto:suzannepach at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>> Hi everyone,
>> 
>> Hope you're all well. Maybe some of you have seen my HoopWriting images on Facebook a while ago. Today I attempted redoing one in Adobe Illustrator. It's the kick-out move where the hoop rotates on one leg (which I still can't do but at least I can draw it ;). 
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>> Do you think this is clear enough or would you do things differently? I would be happy to hear :) While I'm still working out all the proportions etc. I've drawn the whole body, but I imagine eventually it won't be necessary to draw the whole body for every move.
>> 
>> I have one question:
>> The knee of the standing leg is repeatedly making little pushes forwards to keep the hoop rotating. Is this the right arrow to show for this movement? I like it, because I can show exactly where the movement comes from, rather than writing separate arrows next to each other like I've seen in some signs. The way I have done it I've only seen in circular movement (a circle with a double arrow head). Can it also be used in the way I have used it? (Btw I've used a black arrow head to show the right leg is moving)
>> 
>> Thanks for any replies and enjoy your day!
>> Suzanne
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