[Sw-l] Sign for WHO in Thai Sign Language

Sun Oct 24 14:56:23 UTC 2021

Hello Valerie and SWList members!

Thank you for your suggestions about the "Who?" sign and other writings for
circular movement in front of the face. DanceWriting's functionality may be
confusing to me a little bit. I agree with you that writing from the
Expressive Viewpoint is a more appropriate approach to write in sign
languages. According to your description, I suppose I might misunderstand
at first that the position of a Circular Movement arrow must always overlap
the position of the hand, however, it seems that the hand and the arrow
don't have to be in the same place as you indicated. So I have a few
questions as follows:
- Is the position of the hand in any SW always the starting point of the
movement?
- Regarding the sign for "Who" in ThaiSL as you provided, if the hand is
located under the level of the face, should the arrow be located on the
lowest level of the circle as well? I'm just curious as to why your arrow
is at the top of the circle.

Your explanation has clarified a lot for me. So thank you again!,
[image: sign (14).png]
Sutthikhun (Ae)

On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 at 05:20, Valerie Sutton <sutton at signwriting.org> wrote:

> SignWriting List
> October 22, 2021
>
> First, here is how I would write the sign for WHO in Thai Sign Language,
> based on the video provided:
>
> https://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/canvas.php?ui=1&sgn=34&sid=202
>
>
>
> Second,
>
> Thank you, Sutthikhun, for this message on Messenger below. Thanks for
> letting me answer on the SW List, where others can give us their feedback
> ;-)
>
> Sutthikhun wrote:
>
> Good morning Val! I would like to ask you how to use The Head from
> different viewpoint symbol for sign "Who?" in Thai Sign Language in as
> follows:
> 1. If I use Head Side View, does the Eyebrow have to be shown only on one
> side or have to be shown on both sides?
> 2. Does the Head Movement arrow have to be rotated in the direction of
> the head?
> 3. Does the Circular Movement arrow have to be rotated in the direction of
> the head?
> 4. Does the direction of the Hand have to be rotated along the Head
> direction as well?
>
>
> https://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/canvas.php?ui=1&sgn=34&sid=200
>
>
> ANSWER from Val:  This sign can be written from the Expressive Front View
> as I have written above. I placed my writing in SignPuddle in the Thai Sign
> Language Dictionary.
>
> Writing anything from the Side View in SignWriting, although possible and
> occasionally necessary, should be avoided if possible, because writing from
> the Side View has different rules and circumstances, as your many questions
> illustrate!
>
> It is also harder for other people to read from the Side View, because it
> is so rare. DanceWriting is a different. It was designed for all
> viewpoints, but SignWiting tends to remain Expressive and facing forward,
> unless we are writing Mime or dialogue or theater.
>
> So I would rather not get into answering your questions about Side View
> right now - maybe later I can start a new lesson just on writing rare Side
> Views. Do you have questions on the way I wrote it above? Do you feel you
> can write it without the Side View now?
>
> Feedback is welcome. It is fine to discuss and argue and enjoy the debate
> - that is what the SignWriting List is for!
>
> Val ;-)
>
>
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