[Sw-l] A question regarding how to write the right index finger touching a part of the left hand's palm and fingers

Wed Sep 1 18:23:38 UTC 2021

Hello everyone and thank you for your answer, Valerie!
[image: download.png]

I have checked the examples you provided using British vowel fingerspelling
(VF); however, they appear to be slightly different from Thai VF, as
follows:

   1. The left palm of the British VF does not need to face the observer,
   whereas the left palm of the Thai VF does.
   [image: image.png]    [image: image.png]

   2. Touching of fingertips and of finger-bases are differentiated in Thai
   VF, but there is only fingertip touching in British VF.
   [image: image.png]    [image: image.png]

As a result, if the left palm is facing the observer, the black left *Five
Fingers Spread* must be selected for expressive viewpoint, which the black
color may obscure the writing while the right index finger touches the left
palm's middle (I'm not sure whether these following writings are acceptable
or not),
[image: sign (15).png][image: sign (16).png]

or when the right index finger touches a left finger-base, some left
fingers might be obscured,
[image: sign (12).png]

or when a contact star is written on a finger-base, the star will be
obscured.
[image: sign (13).png]
So I'm curious whether there is any other way to make the Thai VF writing
less ambiguous. Could *Digit Location* symbols be used to make this writing
clearer? I don't know how to use them and I'm not sure if they're necessary.

Thanks in advance,
[image: sign (14).png]
Sutthikhun (Ae)

On Wed, 1 Sept 2021 at 05:13, Valerie Sutton <sutton at signwriting.org> wrote:

> SignWriting List
> August 31, 2021
>
> Hi there,
> The use of the index finger to point to other fingers to show tone or
> vowels, exists in other sign language as well. One of the well-known
> examples is in British sign language. They have a two-handed alphabet and
> they use their index finger to Point to the tips of the fingers of the
> other hand to show the vowels. To type British fingerspelling we created a
> shorter way to write it by just using a contact star on the finger being
> pointed to for the vowels, but others wrote the details. Here are some
> examples:
>
> British Fingerspelling Font iin SignWriting
> https://www.signwriting.org/catalog/sw214.html
>
> British Fingerspelling Keyboard design for SignWriter DOS
> https://www.signwriting.org/forums/software/fingkeys/fkey044.html
>
> https://www.signwriting.org/uk/GB04.html
>
> So it just depends on how much room you have to write or type two hands
> versus one.
>
> Val
>
> -----
>
> On Aug 31, 2021, at 1:50 PM, Sutthikhun Phaengphongsai <
> suttikunep at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>
> Hello SWList members!
>
> Today I have a question regarding how to write the right index finger
> touching a part of the left hand's palm and fingers.
>
>    - ThaiSL fingerspelling for vowels, tone marks, and other symbols is
>    shown in the photo and video link below. The right index finger is used to
>    indicate a vowel or a tone mark of a syllable on a part of the left hand's
>    palm or fingers.
>    - There appear to be symbols used in the SignMaker to write the
>    detailed digit location, but I'm not clear how to use them since I couldn't
>    find a description in the SW Textbook.
>    - So, *which SW symbols should these gestures be written with, and how
>    should they be written?*
>
>
> Link: https://youtu.be/6eLfibTBiZQ?t=717 (from 11:57)
>
> Thank you so much in advance!
> I look forward to receiving your responses,
> Sutthikhun Phaengphongsai
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