[Sw-l] Rub contact

Fri Apr 8 21:30:44 UTC 2022

SignWriting List
April 8, 2022

Hello SW List and Honza -
So glad to see you back on the List, Honza - Thanks for telling me that the List software is working for you - Welcome back ;-)

I was just looking at one of the many Czech Sign Language documents posted on SignPuddle:

O Budulínkovi I.
https://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/canvas.php?ui=6&sgn=36&sid=35

If only the ISWA 2010 were not frozen in time - we could add new variations of symbols like Rubbing Symbols for writers to experiment with… mainly just to be able to flop it and rotate it - but we cannot add to the ISWA 2010 smbolset because of software constraints…

But writing it by hand it can be done - If I were reading a big document like the one I posted a link for above (O Budulínkovi I.), I don’t know if I would notice the direction of the Rub since we never put importance on that issue that I remember…so when I see the Rub symbol I am assuming a rub without stating the direction… and I guess I am also assuming some knowledge of the language

Thanks for bringing up such an interesting topic -

Val ;-)

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> On Apr 8, 2022, at 9:18 AM, Honza Fikejs <honza.fikejs at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> Thank you for your responses. 
> In Czech Sign Language rub is signed anti clockwise typically on the hand and clockwise on the body and head. The direction of the movement doesn't change the meaning, but it is weird only to sign it in the wrong direction. 
> I like my origin idea to have two kinds of symbols (clockwise and anti clockwise written). But maybe an additional arrow is clearer.
> 
> Does anyone know some signs that differ only in the direction of rubbing?
> 
> Honza
> PS: Val, thank you. I get all the responses now. 
> 
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> On Fri, 8 Apr 2022 at 14:59, Cherie Wren <000000111c1a7803-dmarc-request at listserv.valenciacollege.edu> wrote:
> When I sign COFFEE, I too, circle counter clockwise, but I can read the writing because I know the sign.  For the original poster, who mentioned that some signs changing the direction of the rub changes the meaning, could you use movement arrows to specify?  
> 
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> On Friday, April 8, 2022, 07:02:24 AM EDT, Wallyson Ruan <wallysonruan at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 'Morning!
> 
> As a LIBRAS signer, I tend to do the rubbing in a counter-clockwise direction.
> 
> As Ms. Anna Grace, I never thought much of the symbols direction, but, after reading Mr. Honza's e-mail I'm quite curious about this "component".
> 
> Mr. Honza, wouldn't the arrows solve the problem?

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> Em qui, 7 de abr de 2022 13:35, Ms. AnnaGrace <msannagrace20 at gmail.com> escreveu:
> Hi All,
> 
> Now that I think about the rubbing component, as a right-hander in American Sign Language (ASL), 
> I find myself rubbing a counter-clockwise direction in the signs for COFFEE, WASHING-A-DISH, SORRY, PLEASE, NAUSEA. 
> 
> I was never conscious of the direction in rubbing until now. I would be interested in finding out which direction others are doing in ASL.
> As a teacher of ASL, I think the direction of rubbing is important. (eg, how does signing PLEASE in the other direction strike you?)
> 
> ~ AnnaGrace

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> On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 10:22 AM Valerie Sutton <sutton at signwriting.org> wrote:
> SignWriting List
> April 7, 2022
> 
> Hello SignWriting List, and Honza from the Czech Republic,
> 
> Are you getting messages from the SignWriting List now, Honza, using your new Gmail account?
> 
> I hope you get this email.  I want to be sure that you get it, so please tell us if you did.
> 
> Regarding the Rub Symbol…Direction of rubbing was never written with the symbol. The symbol always goes one direction and represents rubbing in general without stating the direction of rubbing.
> 
> But it's a very interesting idea, but never a part of the International SignWriting Alphabet 2010 (ISWA).
> 
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>> On Apr 7, 2022, at 1:03 AM, Honza Fikejs <honza.fikejs at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Valerie,
>> 
>> since I haven't received any emails from the list for last two years, I am trying now to find out my questions I have posted and haven`t got any response.
>> First of all I am wondering about rub symbol. I thought there used to be two two rub symbols in the SignPuddle (clockwise and anticlockwise rolled), but now I see only one there. .
>> In czech sign language the rub direction matters, so I teach my students to be careful about way of rolling.
>> Is there a way how to write down direction of rubbing?
>> Now I am not sure, since there is only one rub symbol (maybe I only imagined there was two)
>> 
>> Thank you
>> Honza
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