[Sw-l] Between floor and wall arm rotation

Sun Feb 6 13:28:39 UTC 2022

Hello List,
The moment I watched the video I understood that sign language readers can
easily see the written form and complete the sign. Like a spelling
agreement. As much as it is not 100% represented in writing. As many signs
in Brazil are made like this (we write in a way that Brazilian readers can
read easily but that a foreigner may have another interpretation of the
movement).

After thinking about it, I reflected that if I were to describe the
movement exactly I would separate the signal in 2 beats, writing the
beginning of the movement and the end. But before I answered that, I saw
the rest of the discussion and realized that Valerie Sutton had already
shown exactly the format I thought:

[image: image.png]

I don't know of any current symbols that would simplify this. But I'm
looking forward to seeing Adam's response. Anyway, I believe that the two
solutions above already solve the problem, I see no reason to worry.
I advise you to write long texts that use this sign, to see how it will
actually be in practice. Because it is very different to write a sign for a
dictionary, putting all the details than writing a personal note text in
which many details are obsolete, because what matters most is the
practicality and usefulness of writing.

This is just an opinion.

On Sun, Feb 6, 2022 at 3:27 AM Adam Frost <icemandeaf at gmail.com> wrote:

> I think the discussion came about because there is a desire to have a
> movement symbol that has arm rotation and arm traveling. Now that I think
> of it, there are some symbols that do just that. I’ll have to take a look
> into that tomorrow morning. :-)
>
>
> Adam
>
> On Feb 5, 2022, at 9:42 PM, Valerie Sutton <sutton at signwriting.org> wrote:
>
> SignWriting list
> February 5, 2022
>
> And to answer your question, when we really are writing rotation symbols
> (movements that do not travel but just change palm facing), we do not have
> a diagonal plane version of the rotation symbols. There are only two planes
> to choose from for Rotation Symbols. The forearm is either parallel to the
> floor or parallel to the Wall - I have never seen yet a sign that is
> misunderstood because a diagonal forearm would change the meaning of the
> sign.
>
> In this case this sign means “homogeneous" in English (in German
> “homogen”) and homogeneous in English means like a family or group that
> blends well together. The movements look a little like the sign for FAMILY
> in ASL, and although I know the meanings may be different, I think the
> curved traveling movement fits with the meaning of the sign, at least that
> is the way it feels to me.
>
> There are always questions with Rotation Symbols and how to write them so
> feel free to keep asking questions -
>
> Thanks so much for sharing.
>
> Val ;-)
>
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> On Feb 5, 2022, at 9:27 PM, Valerie Sutton <sutton at SIGNWRITING.ORG> wrote:
>
> SignWriting List
> February 5, 2022
>
> Hello SignWriting List, Uta and Adam,
>
> Regarding this video:
> https://sign2mint.de/entry/homogen/5750242766511595:730
>
> I agree with you, Adam, that this is a general arm movement because the
> arm movement TRAVELS. The hands travel from shoulder level to “in front of
> the chest and lower” in the second position. I would write it this way:
>
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> Movements that travel are curves that truly move the hands from one space
> to another.
>
> Rotation symbols are movements that do NOT travel. The arm stays in one
> place while the arm twists from one palm facing to another, while staying
> in place.
>
> So if I were reading the SignWriting with the rotation symbol in this
> diagram, without seeing the video, I would think that the plam facing
> changes at shoulder level. I would not know that it traveled down lower,
> since it is a Rotation Symbol (which means no traveling).
>
> Sometimes small rotation symbols are placed on top of traveling arrows -
> they are combined, because the writer doesn’t want to write the second
> position but I prefer to write the second position - at least for those who
> do not know the sign.
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