[Sw-l] Could you proofread my ASL signwriting?

Tue Feb 8 19:10:41 UTC 2022

Hi All,

Here are my answers to Val's recent questions:

The new SignMaker has been phenomenal in giving me the ability to create
signwriting.
I have it in a shortcut icon on my desktop. I am so thankful for it!
When I create the written signs with the glyphs (How do  you call them?
They're not "words" or "letters", right?),
I do screenshots of them using Shift+Comamand+4 on my MacBook.
Then I drag these screenshots onto Keynote where I am able to move the
glyphs a bit more and add other graphics as well.
Then I do screenshots of the Keynote and put them in the email message.

I have been using the SignPuddle online in the American dictionary. They
are very helpful!
I have not registered, logged in, or entered my signs in the SignPuddle.
I would like to run my signs on this forum and get feedback before I enter
them in the SignPuddle.

Yes, I noticed Adam's entry in SignPuddle for CLASS. I created another
glyph for it because
I noticed that the last part of my sign for CLASS has my two hands
back-to-back (see attached photo below).
That's why I wrote it a little differently. I realize that there are subtle
variations for CLASS --
if it's signed as a small class, there's an axis rotation;
if it's a generic expression for CLASS, that's what I'm trying to depict in
my version of signwriting;
If there's a large class, then the arc-arrows would be wider/larger.

In the US SignPuddle Dictionary, I noticed some variations of signs for the
same English word. Which is fine!
I'm from the East Coast, so I would be happy to add regional signs to
SignPuddle. Perhaps I could write in a note
stating the area where the sign has been used. Is there a space in
SignPuddle to make this comment?
I just want to run my glyphs to you guys out there first to see if you are
able to decipher the glyphs into the signs and English word that I'm
thinking of.

Thank you all for your feedback! I am learning by trial-and-error and by
"process approach" method.
Your patience with me is appreciated!

-- AnnaGrace

[image: IMG_5776.JPG]

On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 1:19 PM Valerie Sutton <sutton at signwriting.org>
wrote:

> SignWriting List
> February 8, 2022
>
> Anna Grace and Adam and Andre,
>
> Just talking about the first sign, Adam did explain the issues with that
> writing which possibly means CLASS, but the writing needs some changes ;-)
>
> Anna Grace, how are you writing these signs? Are you using SignPuddle
> online in the American dictionary? Have you registered and logged in and
> entered your signs while you were logged in? And have you searched for the
> sign for CLASS in the dictionary to see how others wrote it before? There
> are many choices there with different spellings. Because if you're using
> SignPuddle online you probably would have seen what Adam is talking about….
> I have attached a screen capture of one writing that might fit Adam’s
> explanation - if not Adam you are welcome to correct me ;-)
>
> SignPuddle Online American Sign Language Dictionary
> https://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/index.php?ui=1&sgn=4
>
> So go to the ASL Dictionary and search for the sign for CLASS, and then
> scroll down
>
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>
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>
> On Feb 8, 2022, at 10:05 AM, Adam Frost <icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>
> I didn’t even think 6 could be 2022! I guess I can see that, although I
> would write it with completely different hands.
>
>
> Adam
>
> On Feb 8, 2022, at 9:58 AM, André Thibeault <atg at VIDEOTRON.CA> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Adam already answers: 1, 2,3,4 et 5.
>
> 6: 2022
> 7: EAT ?
> 8: EATING (is eating)?
> 9: FOOD ?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Abdré
>
> De : Adam Frost <icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM>
> Répondre à : "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages" <
> SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
> Date : Tue, 08 Feb 2022 09:22:51 -0800
> À : <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
> Objet : Re: Could you proofread my ASL signwriting?
>
> Hello AnnaGrace,
>
> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.06 AM.png>
>
>
> I would assume you meant “class”; however, the rotation of the hands have
> some issues. The first is that the thicker part of the “C” is the finger
> side, so you have a couple of hands upside-down. The other issue is with
> the white palm facing. I know there are two different approaches for
> writing this facing with angle/hinge/bent/curve hands. One is that every
> sign has a center, and as such, these fingers should be directed to the
> center. The other is that the thumb should be one the side as it is in real
> life, which is what it looks like you are following here. I personally
> follow the first approach.
>
> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.14 AM.png>
>
>
> I think you mean “chair”, but I am not sure why the base hand also has
> bent fingers. They are never bent when I sign this. In fact, I am starting
> to not write the other fingers as bent as well, personally, because I
> notice I rarely actually bend the fingers. Same with several of my friends
> as well.
>
>  <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.21 AM.png>
>
>
> I think you mean “sit”. The same issue with chair applies here as well. I
> noticed you used touch for chair instead of grasp like you did for sit. Not
> that it’s wrong, but I thought it was interesting.
>
> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.29 AM.png>
>
>
> I think you mean “dog”, but the movement arrows actually mean the arm
> travels. There are other arrows that means the fingers move that are needed
> here. The almost look like general movement arrows, but smaller. I also
> question if it is actually a back and forth rub movement, or if it is a
> back-back brush movement.
>
> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.38 AM.png>
>
>
> I have no clue what this sign is. I would read it as a fist that is facing
> away coming diagonally up-right to the chin to touch and then moves back
> towards the throat, all with a kiss shaped mouth. Were you trying to write
> “kiss fist”?
>
> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.47.05 AM.png>  <SW ate.png>  <SW
> eating.png>  <SW will eat.png>
>
>
> The rest I actually have no idea what they mean. I could try reading them
> like I did above, but they don’t feel like good guesses to me. 6 has a
> handshape that looks constructed and I am not sure what is meant by it
> because the fingers aren’t placed in the normal convention. 7, 8, and 9
> look like they are various forms of “eating”, but the handshape is only
> with the index and thumb rather than all of them so it leads me to think
> they have to do with a bird pecking at the face.
>
> <namesign.png>
> Adam
>
> On Feb 8, 2022, at 6:51 AM, AnnaGrace Greenfield <msannagrace20 at GMAIL.COM>
> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I've come up with American Sign Language signwriting for nine or ten
> English words. They are displayed at the bottom of this email. I'd like to
> see if your answers are the same as mine. I would like to run them by you
> before I can contribute them to the SignWriting Dictionary.
> Your answers can be next to the corresponding number on the list. Thanks
> so much!
> English answers:
> 1.
> 2.
> 3.
> 4.
> 5.
> 6.
> 7.
> 8.
> 9.
>
> ASL signwriting:
> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.06 AM.png>  <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at
> 9.35.14 AM.png>  <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.21 AM.png>  <Screen Shot
> 2022-02-08 at 9.35.29 AM.png>   <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.38 AM.png>
>
> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.47.05 AM.png>  <SW ate.png>  <SW
> eating.png>  <SW will eat.png>
>
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