[Sw-l] Could you proofread my ASL signwriting?

Tue Feb 8 21:14:37 UTC 2022

Hi All,

André made an interesting observation about "20 cars" versus "2022".
It looks like the single movement of "20" in "2022" is an example of a
"linguistic reduction", that is, when a word/sign is paired with another
word/sign, for a smoother flow, the movement is reduced to one movement.
(e.g., going to --> gonna)

Thanks,
Anna Grace

On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 2:57 PM Valerie Sutton <sutton at signwriting.org>
wrote:

> SignWriting List
> February 8, 2022
>
> There are some writing standards that have developed over time. One of
> them is the number 22, the way that Adam wrote it has been a standard in
> our books for page numbers and room numbers and so many things for 20 or 30
> years. So I have entered both versions in SignPuddle online right now for
> 2022 because I need it for my email to Stefan ;-)
>
> The single or double finger movement for the number 20 is a matter of
> signing fast. When signing in ASL with friends I bet most people do it once
> and everyone knows what they mean, althouh the more formal signing will
> have two movements.
>
> And other standards have developed too...
>
> See attached:
>
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> On Feb 8, 2022, at 11:37 AM, AnnaGrace Greenfield <msannagrace20 at GMAIL.COM>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Andre,
>
> "2022" is the answer I was aiming for. You got the answer correct!
>
> Thanks,
> Anna
>
> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 1:48 PM André Thibeault <atg at videotron.ca> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> Most Deaf signer has the single movement for "20"22.  I have 20 cars. Deaf
> signer has the double movement for "20" cars.
>
> Best regards,
>
> André
>
> De : Adam Frost <icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM>
> Répondre à : "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages" <
> SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
> Date : Tue, 08 Feb 2022 10:24:11 -0800
> À : <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
> Objet : Re: Could you proofread my ASL signwriting?
>
> I would write it like below. Although you could have the double movement
> for 20, if you would like.
>
> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 10.24.04 AM.png>
>
> <namesign.png>
> Adam
>
> On Feb 8, 2022, at 10:11 AM, AnnaGrace Greenfield <msannagrace20 at GMAIL.COM>
> wrote:
>
> Adam,
>
> How would you signwrite "2022"?
>
> Thanks,
> AnnaGrace
>
> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 1:06 PM Adam Frost <icemandeaf at gmail.com> wrote:
> I didn’t even think 6 could be 2022! I guess I can see that, although I
> would write it with completely different hands.
>
> <namesign.png>
> Adam
>
> On Feb 8, 2022, at 9:58 AM, André Thibeault <atg at VIDEOTRON.CA> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Adam already answers: 1, 2,3,4 et 5.
>
> 6: 2022
> 7: EAT ?
> 8: EATING (is eating)?
> 9: FOOD ?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Abdré
>
> De : Adam Frost <icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM>
> Répondre à : "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages" <
> SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
> Date : Tue, 08 Feb 2022 09:22:51 -0800
> À : <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
> Objet : Re: Could you proofread my ASL signwriting?
>
> Hello AnnaGrace,
>
> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.06 AM.png>
>
>
> I would assume you meant “class”; however, the rotation of the hands have
> some issues. The first is that the thicker part of the “C” is the finger
> side, so you have a couple of hands upside-down. The other issue is with
> the white palm facing. I know there are two different approaches for
> writing this facing with angle/hinge/bent/curve hands. One is that every
> sign has a center, and as such, these fingers should be directed to the
> center. The other is that the thumb should be one the side as it is in real
> life, which is what it looks like you are following here. I personally
> follow the first approach.
>
> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.14 AM.png>
>
>
> I think you mean “chair”, but I am not sure why the base hand also has
> bent fingers. They are never bent when I sign this. In fact, I am starting
> to not write the other fingers as bent as well, personally, because I
> notice I rarely actually bend the fingers. Same with several of my friends
> as well.
>
>  <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.21 AM.png>
>
>
> I think you mean “sit”. The same issue with chair applies here as well. I
> noticed you used touch for chair instead of grasp like you did for sit. Not
> that it’s wrong, but I thought it was interesting.
>
> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.29 AM.png>
>
>
> I think you mean “dog”, but the movement arrows actually mean the arm
> travels. There are other arrows that means the fingers move that are needed
> here. The almost look like general movement arrows, but smaller. I also
> question if it is actually a back and forth rub movement, or if it is a
> back-back brush movement.
>
> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.38 AM.png>
>
>
> I have no clue what this sign is. I would read it as a fist that is facing
> away coming diagonally up-right to the chin to touch and then moves back
> towards the throat, all with a kiss shaped mouth. Were you trying to write
> “kiss fist”?
>
> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.47.05 AM.png>  <SW ate.png>  <SW
> eating.png>  <SW will eat.png>
>
>
> The rest I actually have no idea what they mean. I could try reading them
> like I did above, but they don’t feel like good guesses to me. 6 has a
> handshape that looks constructed and I am not sure what is meant by it
> because the fingers aren’t placed in the normal convention. 7, 8, and 9
> look like they are various forms of “eating”, but the handshape is only
> with the index and thumb rather than all of them so it leads me to think
> they have to do with a bird pecking at the face.
>
> <namesign.png>
> Adam
>
> On Feb 8, 2022, at 6:51 AM, AnnaGrace Greenfield <msannagrace20 at GMAIL.COM>
> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I've come up with American Sign Language signwriting for nine or ten
> English words. They are displayed at the bottom of this email. I'd like to
> see if your answers are the same as mine. I would like to run them by you
> before I can contribute them to the SignWriting Dictionary.
> Your answers can be next to the corresponding number on the list. Thanks
> so much!
> English answers:
> 1.
> 2.
> 3.
> 4.
> 5.
> 6.
> 7.
> 8.
> 9.
>
> ASL signwriting:
> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.06 AM.png>  <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at
> 9.35.14 AM.png>  <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.21 AM.png>  <Screen Shot
> 2022-02-08 at 9.35.29 AM.png>   <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.38 AM.png>
>
> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.47.05 AM.png>  <SW ate.png>  <SW
> eating.png>  <SW will eat.png>
>
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> AM.png><Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.21 AM.png><Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at
> 9.35.29 AM.png><Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.38 AM.png><Screen Shot
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