[Sw-l] Could you proofread my ASL signwriting?

Tue Feb 8 21:39:34 UTC 2022

Hi All,

Adam made a good point about glyph # 7, 8, 9.

It looks like they contain the wrong handshape. I've been looking for the
glyph that represents a "flat-O".

Which Handshape Group in the SignMaker that contains a "flat-O" handshape?
Help me...
(The Handshape Group is numbered 1 to 10, according to the "Lessons in
SignWriting" textbook.)

Thanks,
Anna Grace

On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 4:14 PM AnnaGrace Greenfield <msannagrace20 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> André made an interesting observation about "20 cars" versus "2022".
> It looks like the single movement of "20" in "2022" is an example of a
> "linguistic reduction", that is, when a word/sign is paired with another
> word/sign, for a smoother flow, the movement is reduced to one movement.
> (e.g., going to --> gonna)
>
> Thanks,
> Anna Grace
>
> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 2:57 PM Valerie Sutton <sutton at signwriting.org>
> wrote:
>
>> SignWriting List
>> February 8, 2022
>>
>> There are some writing standards that have developed over time. One of
>> them is the number 22, the way that Adam wrote it has been a standard in
>> our books for page numbers and room numbers and so many things for 20 or 30
>> years. So I have entered both versions in SignPuddle online right now for
>> 2022 because I need it for my email to Stefan ;-)
>>
>> The single or double finger movement for the number 20 is a matter of
>> signing fast. When signing in ASL with friends I bet most people do it once
>> and everyone knows what they mean, althouh the more formal signing will
>> have two movements.
>>
>> And other standards have developed too...
>>
>> See attached:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>> On Feb 8, 2022, at 11:37 AM, AnnaGrace Greenfield <
>> msannagrace20 at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Andre,
>>
>> "2022" is the answer I was aiming for. You got the answer correct!
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Anna
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 1:48 PM André Thibeault <atg at videotron.ca> wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> Most Deaf signer has the single movement for "20"22.  I have 20 cars.
>> Deaf signer has the double movement for "20" cars.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> André
>>
>> De : Adam Frost <icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM>
>> Répondre à : "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages" <
>> SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
>> Date : Tue, 08 Feb 2022 10:24:11 -0800
>> À : <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
>> Objet : Re: Could you proofread my ASL signwriting?
>>
>> I would write it like below. Although you could have the double movement
>> for 20, if you would like.
>>
>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 10.24.04 AM.png>
>>
>> <namesign.png>
>> Adam
>>
>> On Feb 8, 2022, at 10:11 AM, AnnaGrace Greenfield <
>> msannagrace20 at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>
>> Adam,
>>
>> How would you signwrite "2022"?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> AnnaGrace
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 1:06 PM Adam Frost <icemandeaf at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I didn’t even think 6 could be 2022! I guess I can see that, although I
>> would write it with completely different hands.
>>
>> <namesign.png>
>> Adam
>>
>> On Feb 8, 2022, at 9:58 AM, André Thibeault <atg at VIDEOTRON.CA> wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> Adam already answers: 1, 2,3,4 et 5.
>>
>> 6: 2022
>> 7: EAT ?
>> 8: EATING (is eating)?
>> 9: FOOD ?
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Abdré
>>
>> De : Adam Frost <icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM>
>> Répondre à : "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages" <
>> SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
>> Date : Tue, 08 Feb 2022 09:22:51 -0800
>> À : <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
>> Objet : Re: Could you proofread my ASL signwriting?
>>
>> Hello AnnaGrace,
>>
>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.06 AM.png>
>>
>>
>> I would assume you meant “class”; however, the rotation of the hands have
>> some issues. The first is that the thicker part of the “C” is the finger
>> side, so you have a couple of hands upside-down. The other issue is with
>> the white palm facing. I know there are two different approaches for
>> writing this facing with angle/hinge/bent/curve hands. One is that every
>> sign has a center, and as such, these fingers should be directed to the
>> center. The other is that the thumb should be one the side as it is in real
>> life, which is what it looks like you are following here. I personally
>> follow the first approach.
>>
>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.14 AM.png>
>>
>>
>> I think you mean “chair”, but I am not sure why the base hand also has
>> bent fingers. They are never bent when I sign this. In fact, I am starting
>> to not write the other fingers as bent as well, personally, because I
>> notice I rarely actually bend the fingers. Same with several of my friends
>> as well.
>>
>>  <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.21 AM.png>
>>
>>
>> I think you mean “sit”. The same issue with chair applies here as well. I
>> noticed you used touch for chair instead of grasp like you did for sit. Not
>> that it’s wrong, but I thought it was interesting.
>>
>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.29 AM.png>
>>
>>
>> I think you mean “dog”, but the movement arrows actually mean the arm
>> travels. There are other arrows that means the fingers move that are needed
>> here. The almost look like general movement arrows, but smaller. I also
>> question if it is actually a back and forth rub movement, or if it is a
>> back-back brush movement.
>>
>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.38 AM.png>
>>
>>
>> I have no clue what this sign is. I would read it as a fist that is
>> facing away coming diagonally up-right to the chin to touch and then moves
>> back towards the throat, all with a kiss shaped mouth. Were you trying to
>> write “kiss fist”?
>>
>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.47.05 AM.png>  <SW ate.png>  <SW
>> eating.png>  <SW will eat.png>
>>
>>
>> The rest I actually have no idea what they mean. I could try reading them
>> like I did above, but they don’t feel like good guesses to me. 6 has a
>> handshape that looks constructed and I am not sure what is meant by it
>> because the fingers aren’t placed in the normal convention. 7, 8, and 9
>> look like they are various forms of “eating”, but the handshape is only
>> with the index and thumb rather than all of them so it leads me to think
>> they have to do with a bird pecking at the face.
>>
>> <namesign.png>
>> Adam
>>
>> On Feb 8, 2022, at 6:51 AM, AnnaGrace Greenfield <msannagrace20 at GMAIL.COM>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I've come up with American Sign Language signwriting for nine or ten
>> English words. They are displayed at the bottom of this email. I'd like to
>> see if your answers are the same as mine. I would like to run them by you
>> before I can contribute them to the SignWriting Dictionary.
>> Your answers can be next to the corresponding number on the list. Thanks
>> so much!
>> English answers:
>> 1.
>> 2.
>> 3.
>> 4.
>> 5.
>> 6.
>> 7.
>> 8.
>> 9.
>>
>> ASL signwriting:
>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.06 AM.png>  <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at
>> 9.35.14 AM.png>  <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.21 AM.png>  <Screen Shot
>> 2022-02-08 at 9.35.29 AM.png>   <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.38 AM.png>
>>
>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.47.05 AM.png>  <SW ate.png>  <SW
>> eating.png>  <SW will eat.png>
>>
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>> Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.06 AM.png><Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.14
>> AM.png><Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.21 AM.png><Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at
>> 9.35.29 AM.png><Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.38 AM.png><Screen Shot
>> 2022-02-08 at 9.47.05 AM.png><SW ate.png><SW eating.png><SW will
>> eat.png><namesign.png>
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