[Sw-l] Could you proofread my ASL signwriting?

Fri Feb 11 21:16:21 UTC 2022

Hello all,
As for the discussion about the [image: image.png] glyph, I am still
thinking about it.
In fact, I am taking a deep dive.
I'll get back to you as soon as I can!
Thanks for your patience.
[image: Screen Shot 2022-02-11 at 4.12.25 PM.png]
~ AnnaGrace

On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 10:49 AM AnnaGrace Greenfield <
msannagrace20 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you again, Hector!
> When I am done with the signwriting pictures I have given you, I will tell
> you all the answers and why.
> Just one more signwriting left. Could you please try this one?
> (To the other readers of this email, please feel free to try this one
> also!)
>
> [image: Screen Shot 2022-02-10 at 10.47.24 AM.png]
> Muchas gracias!!!
>
> ~ Anna Grace
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 9:28 AM Hector Devia Robayo <hdeviar at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Anne Grace,
>>
>> Please find on this e-mail my new reading on your two new modified glyphs.
>> [image: Captura de pantalla 2022-02-10 092633.png]
>> <https://youtu.be/c6QJIlVtyZI>
>> https://youtu.be/c6QJIlVtyZI
>>
>> El mié, 9 feb 2022 a la(s) 15:42, AnnaGrace Greenfield (
>> msannagrace20 at gmail.com) escribió:
>>
>>> Hi Hector,
>>> Please disregard my last email addressed to you.
>>> I added one small (but significant!) detail to number 6.
>>> Again, can you please do me a favor and show a video of
>>> yourself signing the two signwriting glyphs in *this* email?
>>> Thanks so much!
>>> (Others reading this email are free to do likewise, if they wish to do
>>> so.)
>>> Gracias,
>>> AnnaGrace
>>> [image: Screen Shot 2022-02-09 at 3.38.40 PM.png]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 9, 2022 at 2:54 PM André Thibeault <atg at videotron.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Carlos,
>>>>
>>>> I am still learning SW symbols and a written sign language. I do not
>>>> know some SW symbols. I signwrite sometimes (not everyday). I cannot watch
>>>> videos on YouTube and I can't recognize Hector's face because I am
>>>> Deafblind and I use tactile Quebec Sign Language (LSQT) everyday. But, I
>>>> can still read the text of a sign.
>>>>
>>>> HANDWAVING from Quebec (French Canada)
>>>>
>>>> André
>>>> De : Carlos Cristian Libras <carloscristianlibras at GMAIL.COM>
>>>> Répondre à : "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages" <
>>>> SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
>>>> Date : Tue, 08 Feb 2022 17:43:14 -0300
>>>> À : <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
>>>> Objet : Re: Could you proofread my ASL signwriting?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello Andrew,
>>>>
>>>> I'm very happy to see you developing your ASL writing skills through
>>>> the "Sutton Signwriting" method.
>>>>  I'm also an ASL user and I miss people to talk to in ASL about
>>>> "Signwriting".
>>>>
>>>> When I saw you trying to write the 10 signs I remembered myself in 2018
>>>> when I was starting to learn writing (starting, because until today I'm
>>>> learning and I feel like I'm still learning this amazing writing method).
>>>> Like you, I was also trying to write variations of signs, and at first
>>>> I made a lot of mistakes trying to describe variations that for me were
>>>> more common than the ones they had in signpuddle.
>>>>   If you want a friend to practice writing privately, you can email me.
>>>> We can write ASL to each other ;)
>>>>
>>>> I was going to make a video reading it exactly as you wrote it so you
>>>> can see where the mistakes are, but Adam and Hector already did a good job.
>>>>
>>>> Go ahead, when we started to understand all the dynamics we fell even
>>>> more in love with SignWriting.
>>>>
>>>> A hug from Brazil.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 4:57 PM Valerie Sutton <sutton at signwriting.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> SignWriting List
>>>>> February 8, 2022
>>>>>
>>>>> There are some writing standards that have developed over time. One of
>>>>> them is the number 22, the way that Adam wrote it has been a standard in
>>>>> our books for page numbers and room numbers and so many things for 20 or 30
>>>>> years. So I have entered both versions in SignPuddle online right now for
>>>>> 2022 because I need it for my email to Stefan ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> The single or double finger movement for the number 20 is a matter of
>>>>> signing fast. When signing in ASL with friends I bet most people do it once
>>>>> and everyone knows what they mean, althouh the more formal signing will
>>>>> have two movements.
>>>>>
>>>>> And other standards have developed too...
>>>>>
>>>>> See attached:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022, at 11:37 AM, AnnaGrace Greenfield <
>>>>> msannagrace20 at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Andre,
>>>>>
>>>>> "2022" is the answer I was aiming for. You got the answer correct!
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Anna
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 1:48 PM André Thibeault <atg at videotron.ca>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> Most Deaf signer has the single movement for "20"22.  I have 20 cars.
>>>>> Deaf signer has the double movement for "20" cars.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> André
>>>>>
>>>>> De : Adam Frost <icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM>
>>>>> Répondre à : "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages" <
>>>>> SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
>>>>> Date : Tue, 08 Feb 2022 10:24:11 -0800
>>>>> À : <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
>>>>> Objet : Re: Could you proofread my ASL signwriting?
>>>>>
>>>>> I would write it like below. Although you could have the double
>>>>> movement for 20, if you would like.
>>>>>
>>>>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 10.24.04 AM.png>
>>>>>
>>>>> <namesign.png>
>>>>> Adam
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022, at 10:11 AM, AnnaGrace Greenfield <
>>>>> msannagrace20 at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Adam,
>>>>>
>>>>> How would you signwrite "2022"?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> AnnaGrace
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 1:06 PM Adam Frost <icemandeaf at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> I didn’t even think 6 could be 2022! I guess I can see that, although
>>>>> I would write it with completely different hands.
>>>>>
>>>>> <namesign.png>
>>>>> Adam
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022, at 9:58 AM, André Thibeault <atg at VIDEOTRON.CA> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> Adam already answers: 1, 2,3,4 et 5.
>>>>>
>>>>> 6: 2022
>>>>> 7: EAT ?
>>>>> 8: EATING (is eating)?
>>>>> 9: FOOD ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Abdré
>>>>>
>>>>> De : Adam Frost <icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM>
>>>>> Répondre à : "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages" <
>>>>> SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
>>>>> Date : Tue, 08 Feb 2022 09:22:51 -0800
>>>>> À : <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
>>>>> Objet : Re: Could you proofread my ASL signwriting?
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello AnnaGrace,
>>>>>
>>>>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.06 AM.png>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I would assume you meant “class”; however, the rotation of the hands
>>>>> have some issues. The first is that the thicker part of the “C” is the
>>>>> finger side, so you have a couple of hands upside-down. The other issue is
>>>>> with the white palm facing. I know there are two different approaches for
>>>>> writing this facing with angle/hinge/bent/curve hands. One is that every
>>>>> sign has a center, and as such, these fingers should be directed to the
>>>>> center. The other is that the thumb should be one the side as it is in real
>>>>> life, which is what it looks like you are following here. I personally
>>>>> follow the first approach.
>>>>>
>>>>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.14 AM.png>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I think you mean “chair”, but I am not sure why the base hand also has
>>>>> bent fingers. They are never bent when I sign this. In fact, I am starting
>>>>> to not write the other fingers as bent as well, personally, because I
>>>>> notice I rarely actually bend the fingers. Same with several of my friends
>>>>> as well.
>>>>>
>>>>>  <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.21 AM.png>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I think you mean “sit”. The same issue with chair applies here as
>>>>> well. I noticed you used touch for chair instead of grasp like you did for
>>>>> sit. Not that it’s wrong, but I thought it was interesting.
>>>>>
>>>>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.29 AM.png>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I think you mean “dog”, but the movement arrows actually mean the arm
>>>>> travels. There are other arrows that means the fingers move that are needed
>>>>> here. The almost look like general movement arrows, but smaller. I also
>>>>> question if it is actually a back and forth rub movement, or if it is a
>>>>> back-back brush movement.
>>>>>
>>>>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.38 AM.png>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have no clue what this sign is. I would read it as a fist that is
>>>>> facing away coming diagonally up-right to the chin to touch and then moves
>>>>> back towards the throat, all with a kiss shaped mouth. Were you trying to
>>>>> write “kiss fist”?
>>>>>
>>>>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.47.05 AM.png>  <SW ate.png>  <SW
>>>>> eating.png>  <SW will eat.png>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The rest I actually have no idea what they mean. I could try reading
>>>>> them like I did above, but they don’t feel like good guesses to me. 6 has a
>>>>> handshape that looks constructed and I am not sure what is meant by it
>>>>> because the fingers aren’t placed in the normal convention. 7, 8, and 9
>>>>> look like they are various forms of “eating”, but the handshape is only
>>>>> with the index and thumb rather than all of them so it leads me to think
>>>>> they have to do with a bird pecking at the face.
>>>>>
>>>>> <namesign.png>
>>>>> Adam
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022, at 6:51 AM, AnnaGrace Greenfield <
>>>>> msannagrace20 at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>> I've come up with American Sign Language signwriting for nine or ten
>>>>> English words. They are displayed at the bottom of this email. I'd like to
>>>>> see if your answers are the same as mine. I would like to run them by you
>>>>> before I can contribute them to the SignWriting Dictionary.
>>>>> Your answers can be next to the corresponding number on the list.
>>>>> Thanks so much!
>>>>> English answers:
>>>>> 1.
>>>>> 2.
>>>>> 3.
>>>>> 4.
>>>>> 5.
>>>>> 6.
>>>>> 7.
>>>>> 8.
>>>>> 9.
>>>>>
>>>>> ASL signwriting:
>>>>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.06 AM.png>  <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at
>>>>> 9.35.14 AM.png>  <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.21 AM.png>  <Screen Shot
>>>>> 2022-02-08 at 9.35.29 AM.png>   <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.38 AM.png>
>>>>>
>>>>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.47.05 AM.png>  <SW ate.png>  <SW
>>>>> eating.png>  <SW will eat.png>
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION
>>>>> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org
>>>>> Post Messages to the SignWriting List:
>>>>> sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION
>>>>> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org
>>>>> Post Messages to the SignWriting List:
>>>>> sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu
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>>>>> ________________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION
>>>>> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org
>>>>> Post Messages to the SignWriting List:
>>>>> sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu
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>>>>> http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1<Screen
>>>>> Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.06 AM.png><Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.14
>>>>> AM.png><Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.21 AM.png><Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at
>>>>> 9.35.29 AM.png><Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.38 AM.png><Screen Shot
>>>>> 2022-02-08 at 9.47.05 AM.png><SW ate.png><SW eating.png><SW will
>>>>> eat.png><namesign.png>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION
>>>>>
>>>>> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org
>>>>>
>>>>> Post Messages to the SignWriting List:
>>>>> sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION
>>>>>
>>>>> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org
>>>>>
>>>>> Post Messages to the SignWriting List:
>>>>> sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION
>>>>>
>>>>> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org
>>>>>
>>>>> Post Messages to the SignWriting List:
>>>>> sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu
>>>>>
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>>>>> ________________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION
>>>>>
>>>>> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org
>>>>>
>>>>> Post Messages to the SignWriting List:
>>>>> sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu
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>>>>> ________________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION
>>>>>
>>>>> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org
>>>>>
>>>>> Post Messages to the SignWriting List:
>>>>> sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION
>>>>>
>>>>> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org
>>>>>
>>>>> Post Messages to the SignWriting List:
>>>>> sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu
>>>>>
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>>>>> http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist
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>>>> ________________________________________________
>>>>
>>>> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION
>>>>
>>>> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org
>>>>
>>>> Post Messages to the SignWriting List:
>>>> sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION
>>>>
>>>> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org
>>>>
>>>> Post Messages to the SignWriting List:
>>>> sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu
>>>>
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>>> ________________________________________________
>>>
>>> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION
>>>
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>>>
>>> Post Messages to the SignWriting List: sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu
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>>
>>
>> --
>> *Hector Devia Robayo*
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>> ________________________________________________
>>
>> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION
>>
>> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org
>>
>> Post Messages to the SignWriting List: sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu
>>
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>

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