[Sw-l] Could you proofread my ASL signwriting?

Thu Feb 17 14:31:04 UTC 2022

Hi Hector,

If you can, could you please sign this in a video for me? I want to see if
you produce the sign I have in mind.

[image: SW dog 4.png]

If you want to know more about this glyph [image: Screen Shot 2022-02-17 at
9.26.25 AM.png], you can find it in SignMaker at the arrow:

[image: Screen Shot 2022-02-17 at 9.20.25 AM.png]

Please feel free to ask me questions!

If others are reading this email and wish to send a video of the spelling
#4 above as well, please do so!

Thanks so much,

AnnaGrace

On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 4:16 PM AnnaGrace Greenfield <
msannagrace20 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
> As for the discussion about the [image: image.png] glyph, I am still
> thinking about it.
> In fact, I am taking a deep dive.
> I'll get back to you as soon as I can!
> Thanks for your patience.
> [image: Screen Shot 2022-02-11 at 4.12.25 PM.png]
> ~ AnnaGrace
>
> On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 10:49 AM AnnaGrace Greenfield <
> msannagrace20 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thank you again, Hector!
>> When I am done with the signwriting pictures I have given you, I will
>> tell you all the answers and why.
>> Just one more signwriting left. Could you please try this one?
>> (To the other readers of this email, please feel free to try this one
>> also!)
>>
>> [image: Screen Shot 2022-02-10 at 10.47.24 AM.png]
>> Muchas gracias!!!
>>
>> ~ Anna Grace
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 9:28 AM Hector Devia Robayo <hdeviar at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Anne Grace,
>>>
>>> Please find on this e-mail my new reading on your two new modified
>>> glyphs.
>>> [image: Captura de pantalla 2022-02-10 092633.png]
>>> <https://youtu.be/c6QJIlVtyZI>
>>> https://youtu.be/c6QJIlVtyZI
>>>
>>> El mié, 9 feb 2022 a la(s) 15:42, AnnaGrace Greenfield (
>>> msannagrace20 at gmail.com) escribió:
>>>
>>>> Hi Hector,
>>>> Please disregard my last email addressed to you.
>>>> I added one small (but significant!) detail to number 6.
>>>> Again, can you please do me a favor and show a video of
>>>> yourself signing the two signwriting glyphs in *this* email?
>>>> Thanks so much!
>>>> (Others reading this email are free to do likewise, if they wish to do
>>>> so.)
>>>> Gracias,
>>>> AnnaGrace
>>>> [image: Screen Shot 2022-02-09 at 3.38.40 PM.png]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 9, 2022 at 2:54 PM André Thibeault <atg at videotron.ca>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello Carlos,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am still learning SW symbols and a written sign language. I do not
>>>>> know some SW symbols. I signwrite sometimes (not everyday). I cannot watch
>>>>> videos on YouTube and I can't recognize Hector's face because I am
>>>>> Deafblind and I use tactile Quebec Sign Language (LSQT) everyday. But, I
>>>>> can still read the text of a sign.
>>>>>
>>>>> HANDWAVING from Quebec (French Canada)
>>>>>
>>>>> André
>>>>> De : Carlos Cristian Libras <carloscristianlibras at GMAIL.COM>
>>>>> Répondre à : "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages" <
>>>>> SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
>>>>> Date : Tue, 08 Feb 2022 17:43:14 -0300
>>>>> À : <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
>>>>> Objet : Re: Could you proofread my ASL signwriting?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Andrew,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm very happy to see you developing your ASL writing skills through
>>>>> the "Sutton Signwriting" method.
>>>>>  I'm also an ASL user and I miss people to talk to in ASL about
>>>>> "Signwriting".
>>>>>
>>>>> When I saw you trying to write the 10 signs I remembered myself in
>>>>> 2018 when I was starting to learn writing (starting, because until today
>>>>> I'm learning and I feel like I'm still learning this amazing writing
>>>>> method).
>>>>> Like you, I was also trying to write variations of signs, and at first
>>>>> I made a lot of mistakes trying to describe variations that for me were
>>>>> more common than the ones they had in signpuddle.
>>>>>   If you want a friend to practice writing privately, you can email
>>>>> me. We can write ASL to each other ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> I was going to make a video reading it exactly as you wrote it so you
>>>>> can see where the mistakes are, but Adam and Hector already did a good job.
>>>>>
>>>>> Go ahead, when we started to understand all the dynamics we fell even
>>>>> more in love with SignWriting.
>>>>>
>>>>> A hug from Brazil.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 4:57 PM Valerie Sutton <sutton at signwriting.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> SignWriting List
>>>>>> February 8, 2022
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are some writing standards that have developed over time. One
>>>>>> of them is the number 22, the way that Adam wrote it has been a standard in
>>>>>> our books for page numbers and room numbers and so many things for 20 or 30
>>>>>> years. So I have entered both versions in SignPuddle online right now for
>>>>>> 2022 because I need it for my email to Stefan ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The single or double finger movement for the number 20 is a matter of
>>>>>> signing fast. When signing in ASL with friends I bet most people do it once
>>>>>> and everyone knows what they mean, althouh the more formal signing will
>>>>>> have two movements.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And other standards have developed too...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> See attached:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022, at 11:37 AM, AnnaGrace Greenfield <
>>>>>> msannagrace20 at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Andre,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "2022" is the answer I was aiming for. You got the answer correct!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Anna
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 1:48 PM André Thibeault <atg at videotron.ca>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Most Deaf signer has the single movement for "20"22.  I have 20 cars.
>>>>>> Deaf signer has the double movement for "20" cars.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> André
>>>>>>
>>>>>> De : Adam Frost <icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM>
>>>>>> Répondre à : "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages" <
>>>>>> SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
>>>>>> Date : Tue, 08 Feb 2022 10:24:11 -0800
>>>>>> À : <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
>>>>>> Objet : Re: Could you proofread my ASL signwriting?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would write it like below. Although you could have the double
>>>>>> movement for 20, if you would like.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 10.24.04 AM.png>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <namesign.png>
>>>>>> Adam
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022, at 10:11 AM, AnnaGrace Greenfield <
>>>>>> msannagrace20 at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Adam,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How would you signwrite "2022"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> AnnaGrace
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 1:06 PM Adam Frost <icemandeaf at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> I didn’t even think 6 could be 2022! I guess I can see that, although
>>>>>> I would write it with completely different hands.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <namesign.png>
>>>>>> Adam
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022, at 9:58 AM, André Thibeault <atg at VIDEOTRON.CA> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Adam already answers: 1, 2,3,4 et 5.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 6: 2022
>>>>>> 7: EAT ?
>>>>>> 8: EATING (is eating)?
>>>>>> 9: FOOD ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Abdré
>>>>>>
>>>>>> De : Adam Frost <icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM>
>>>>>> Répondre à : "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages" <
>>>>>> SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
>>>>>> Date : Tue, 08 Feb 2022 09:22:51 -0800
>>>>>> À : <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
>>>>>> Objet : Re: Could you proofread my ASL signwriting?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello AnnaGrace,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.06 AM.png>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would assume you meant “class”; however, the rotation of the hands
>>>>>> have some issues. The first is that the thicker part of the “C” is the
>>>>>> finger side, so you have a couple of hands upside-down. The other issue is
>>>>>> with the white palm facing. I know there are two different approaches for
>>>>>> writing this facing with angle/hinge/bent/curve hands. One is that every
>>>>>> sign has a center, and as such, these fingers should be directed to the
>>>>>> center. The other is that the thumb should be one the side as it is in real
>>>>>> life, which is what it looks like you are following here. I personally
>>>>>> follow the first approach.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.14 AM.png>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think you mean “chair”, but I am not sure why the base hand also
>>>>>> has bent fingers. They are never bent when I sign this. In fact, I am
>>>>>> starting to not write the other fingers as bent as well, personally,
>>>>>> because I notice I rarely actually bend the fingers. Same with several of
>>>>>> my friends as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.21 AM.png>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think you mean “sit”. The same issue with chair applies here as
>>>>>> well. I noticed you used touch for chair instead of grasp like you did for
>>>>>> sit. Not that it’s wrong, but I thought it was interesting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.29 AM.png>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think you mean “dog”, but the movement arrows actually mean the arm
>>>>>> travels. There are other arrows that means the fingers move that are needed
>>>>>> here. The almost look like general movement arrows, but smaller. I also
>>>>>> question if it is actually a back and forth rub movement, or if it is a
>>>>>> back-back brush movement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.38 AM.png>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have no clue what this sign is. I would read it as a fist that is
>>>>>> facing away coming diagonally up-right to the chin to touch and then moves
>>>>>> back towards the throat, all with a kiss shaped mouth. Were you trying to
>>>>>> write “kiss fist”?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.47.05 AM.png>  <SW ate.png>  <SW
>>>>>> eating.png>  <SW will eat.png>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The rest I actually have no idea what they mean. I could try reading
>>>>>> them like I did above, but they don’t feel like good guesses to me. 6 has a
>>>>>> handshape that looks constructed and I am not sure what is meant by it
>>>>>> because the fingers aren’t placed in the normal convention. 7, 8, and 9
>>>>>> look like they are various forms of “eating”, but the handshape is only
>>>>>> with the index and thumb rather than all of them so it leads me to think
>>>>>> they have to do with a bird pecking at the face.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <namesign.png>
>>>>>> Adam
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022, at 6:51 AM, AnnaGrace Greenfield <
>>>>>> msannagrace20 at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've come up with American Sign Language signwriting for nine or ten
>>>>>> English words. They are displayed at the bottom of this email. I'd like to
>>>>>> see if your answers are the same as mine. I would like to run them by you
>>>>>> before I can contribute them to the SignWriting Dictionary.
>>>>>> Your answers can be next to the corresponding number on the list.
>>>>>> Thanks so much!
>>>>>> English answers:
>>>>>> 1.
>>>>>> 2.
>>>>>> 3.
>>>>>> 4.
>>>>>> 5.
>>>>>> 6.
>>>>>> 7.
>>>>>> 8.
>>>>>> 9.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ASL signwriting:
>>>>>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.06 AM.png>  <Screen Shot 2022-02-08
>>>>>> at 9.35.14 AM.png>  <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.21 AM.png>  <Screen
>>>>>> Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.29 AM.png>   <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.38
>>>>>> AM.png>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.47.05 AM.png>  <SW ate.png>  <SW
>>>>>> eating.png>  <SW will eat.png>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ________________________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION
>>>>>> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org
>>>>>> Post Messages to the SignWriting List:
>>>>>> sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> ________________________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION
>>>>>> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org
>>>>>> Post Messages to the SignWriting List:
>>>>>> sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu
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>>>>>> ________________________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION
>>>>>> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org
>>>>>> Post Messages to the SignWriting List:
>>>>>> sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu
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>>>>>> Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages
>>>>>> http://listserv.valenciacollege.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=SW-L&A=1<Screen
>>>>>> Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.06 AM.png><Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.14
>>>>>> AM.png><Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.21 AM.png><Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at
>>>>>> 9.35.29 AM.png><Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 9.35.38 AM.png><Screen Shot
>>>>>> 2022-02-08 at 9.47.05 AM.png><SW ate.png><SW eating.png><SW will
>>>>>> eat.png><namesign.png>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ________________________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Post Messages to the SignWriting List:
>>>>>> sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> ________________________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Post Messages to the SignWriting List:
>>>>>> sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> ________________________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Post Messages to the SignWriting List:
>>>>>> sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> ________________________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Post Messages to the SignWriting List:
>>>>>> sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> ________________________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Post Messages to the SignWriting List:
>>>>>> sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ________________________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Post Messages to the SignWriting List:
>>>>>> sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION
>>>>>
>>>>> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org
>>>>>
>>>>> Post Messages to the SignWriting List:
>>>>> sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu
>>>>>
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>>>>> http://www.signwriting.org/forums/swlist
>>>>>
>>>>> Join, Leave or Change How You Receive SW List Messages
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>>>>> ________________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION
>>>>>
>>>>> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org
>>>>>
>>>>> Post Messages to the SignWriting List:
>>>>> sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>> ________________________________________________
>>>>
>>>> SIGNWRITING LIST INFORMATION
>>>>
>>>> Valerie Sutton SignWriting List moderator sutton at signwriting.org
>>>>
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>>>> sw-l at listserv.valenciacollege.edu
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Hector Devia Robayo*
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>

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