[Sw-l] General VS Native ASL fingerspelling: S-O-U-T-H D-A-K-O-T-A

Thu Feb 17 13:21:33 UTC 2022

Hello again!

I have input some allophones of A, C, D, E, H, M, N, O, and Y in ASL
SignPuddle with the Text "fingerspelling allophone". Other allophones are
waiting for any signer to add them to SignPuddle. 😉
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Sutthikhun
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On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 at 07:31, Sutthikhun Phaengphongsai <
suttikunep at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Adam, AnnaGrace, Valerie, and everyone!,
>
> Thank you all for your interest in my SW video. I hope it will be applied
> for educational purposes and will spark people's interest in native
> fingerspelling's various handshapes. To AnnaGrace, I'm also happy to know
> that you'll use it to show your students. To Adam, thanks for your
> informative linguistic explanation! I'm also an enthusiastic amateur
> linguist, so this info can interest me so much. Could you give me more
> native handshape allophones in SW? To Valerie, you're welcome! It's a lot
> of fun to come up with creative and interesting contents for SW.
>
> Sutthikhun
> [image: sign (14).png]
>
> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 at 09:49, Valerie Sutton <sutton at signwriting.org>
> wrote:
>
>> SignWriting List
>> February 14, 2022
>>
>> Wow Adam! I had no idea. I look forward to really studying this tomorrow.
>> thank you for this message
>>
>> Val ;-)
>>
>> --------
>>
>> On Feb 14, 2022, at 3:22 PM, Adam Frost <icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, there are a lot of allophones in fingerspelling. Allophones are any
>> phonemes or smallest meaningless units of language that are perceived to
>> mean the same thing but follow a specific rule to when they are used. In
>> this case, there are several handshapes that mean the same letter in
>> fingerspelling.
>>
>> One of my old linguist professors explained it as Superman always appears
>> when there is trouble, while Clark Kent appears when there is news. They
>> never appear in the other’s situation because they are actually the same
>> person.
>>
>> Most languages can find the use of allophones, but language learners are
>> usually only taught the “correct” form even if it should actually be an
>> allophone that is used.
>>
>> I once taught a fingerspelling course and showed students how there are
>> about 150 different handshapes for the 26 letters of the English alphabet!
>> Some letters had as many as 10 different allophones!
>>
>> Byron Bridges made a good example of this with the fingerspelling of
>> South Dakota in the video you shared.
>>
>> I think this issue of allophones is one of the reasons why it can
>> be difficult to decide how to write something in a specific language (in
>> ASL for example) because native users don’t see allophones as being
>> different while language learners don’t realize the different phonemes are
>> considered allophones and therefore the same thing.
>>
>> And to make it even more complex, there are times when the same phoneme
>> is considered to be associated with a different allophone in different
>> cases. That would be similar to how Bruce Wayne is Batman and Dick Grayson
>> is Robin, who is also Batman when Bruce Wayne isn’t around. (No wonder why
>> identity crisis is a thing!)
>>
>> (This was intended to be a short email, but it has started run away with
>> me. I guess you can’t tell I enjoy linguistics. Ha!)
>>
>>
>> Adam
>>
>>
>> ————
>>
>> On Feb 14, 2022, at 2:45 PM, Sutthikhun Phaengphongsai <
>> suttikunep at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all! I just released a new video about native ASL fingerspelling in SW.
>>
>> As a non-native signer, I'm surprised as to how all native signers are
>> able to fingerspell so fast! I think the explanation in the original video
>> gave me the answer. That's interesting to me! 🏃👋
>>
>> Youtube: https://youtu.be/yiFwdvWHFhk
>> Original video: https://youtu.be/WrerwSBXKCA
>>
>> Sutthikhun
>> <sign (14).png>
>>
>>
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