[Sw-l] [SPAM] Re: Spelling of Sightseeing

André Thibeault atg at VIDEOTRON.CA
Thu Feb 17 19:06:45 UTC 2022


Hi Val, Adam and everyone,

Adam and Val: Thank you for your answer.

Adam signwrote: 
                                     A) MOVE (ASL)

I signwrite: 
                      B) MOVE (ASL)

Is B) MOVE the correct spelling?  If so, A) MOVE is more commonly used. B)
MOVE is more rarely used. I like an ASL sign for B) MOVE because B) MOVE is
more economical than A) MOVE.

Best regards,

André

De :  Adam Frost <icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM>
Répondre à :  "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages"
<SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
Date :  Thu, 17 Feb 2022 08:55:01 -0800
À :  <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
Objet :  Re: [SPAM] Re: Spelling of Sightseeing

That¹s part of the reason I asked. ;-) I have several people off the list
that I have been asking as well. Even some who aren¹t familiar or skilled
with SignWriting, just to see an alternative view in case there might be a
more simple option.

So I have settled down with this as the main option:

It actually takes the exact spelling of 22 on both hands. It seems that most
people that I have talked with don¹t see the paths overlapping that often.
They can, but not usually.

If the sign is made larger and/or with more repeated wrist flex, it seems to
be possible that there is an overlapping path. I had tired to write it like
this:

But it seems that the above spelling isn¹t very readable to many people of
various SignWriting skill levels. So I tried this option below, and it seems
it is more readily understandable.

So, if I were to follow the same principle and write the straight general
movement rather than the curved, I found this is actually more readable than
the combined arrows.

But now for the curve ball! I have asked several people (off the list) what
movement they see with that sign. The ones that don¹t know SignWriting at
all generally said they see a straight down movement and then a curve, which
may or may not be repeated. To follow that interpretation of the movement, I
wrote this option below. I know that it doesn¹t have a wrist flex, but even
when I asked specifically if the sign bends at the wrist, I was mostly told
it doesn¹t matter if it does or not.

So it seems that the two main options I have found are  and . I would
personally go with the first option, but I do see the thinking behind the
second one.


Adam

> On Feb 17, 2022, at 6:56 AM, Uta Meißner <uta.hielscher at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> 
> Same here. :) 
> 
> And I think that's good, because the more often we are of the same opinion,
> the higher the probability of success with the sign search.
> 
> The exchange is great here!
> 
> Uta
> 
> 
> 
> Carlos Cristian Libras <carloscristianlibras at gmail.com> schrieb am Do., 17.
> Feb. 2022, 00:56:
>> I Like First entries for "signtesseing". I look clean.
>> 
>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 6:19 PM AnnaGrace Greenfield
>> <msannagrace20 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Adam,
>>> 
>>> I like the two recent entries for "sightseeing." Thumbs up!
>>> 
>>> ~ AnnaGrace
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 4:10 PM Adam Frost <icemandeaf at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I agree that the first writing is probably the most accurate, but it just
>>>> seems to be bigger than the other writings. I just added a couple of other
>>>> spellings, both with the wrist movement written into them.
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=3535,1
>>>> 1549,11550,11551,11552&sTrm=sightsee&type=any&sTxt=&sSrc=&
>>>> 
>>>> <namesign.png>
>>>> Adam
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 16, 2022, at 10:19 AM, AnnaGrace Greenfield
>>>>> <msannagrace20 at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Adam,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I looked in the links you provided.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I like the first entry for "sightseeing." The second one is okay, and I
>>>>> find it acceptable. The third one is understandable, but I like the second
>>>>> one better. :-)
>>>>> 
>>>>> If all three remain in the SignPuddle, then these three serve as an
>>>>> example of sign variations and of how they can be written in slightly
>>>>> different ways.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Below is a video link of the sign "sightseeing" being used. It's in
>>>>> timestamp 01:15. I see the wrist action here. I use the wrist action
>>>>> myself. That's why I like the first entry in the SignPuddle. If other
>>>>> signers don't use the wrist flick, then entries two and three in the
>>>>> SignPuddle apply.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjazaX9YDS0
>>>>> 
>>>>> Well, that's my feedback. Hope this helps!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> AnnaGrace
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 12:19 PM Adam Frost <icemandeaf at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> This has been one sign that I have been trying to see what is the best
>>>>>> way to write. It has the similar movement as 22 from earlier discussion
>>>>>> except that it uses both hands.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Here is a video of it for those who aren¹t sure of the sign.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> https://www.signingsavvy.com/sign/SIGHTSEE/12560/1
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Here are a few different spellings that I have done of this sign in
>>>>>> SignPuddle. I am not sure how I feel about them being the best spelling.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> https://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=3535
>>>>>> ,11549,11550&sTrm=sightsee&type=any&sTxt=&sSrc=&
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> <namesign.png>
>>>>>> Adam
>>>>>> 
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