[Sw-l] Spelling of Sightseeing

Thu Feb 17 17:31:43 UTC 2022

I agree about the flex. I didn’t really think about it until I had a couple people tell me it didn’t matter if there was a wrist flex. But the jury is still out on that one because I have gotten others who say the sign must have the wrist flex. And they are also not familiar with SignWriting. Ha!

So for my dictionary work, I think I will use the wrist flex spelling as the main entry, but I will go ahead and use the curves as a less common version of the same sign. Just have to figure what is the best way to allow for that option to come up in searches but make it refer to the primary option when it comes up. Gotta love lexicographical issues. Ha!

Adam

> On Feb 17, 2022, at 9:14 AM, Valerie Sutton <sutton at SIGNWRITING.ORG> wrote:
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> SignWriting List
> February 17, 2022
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> Thank you Adam, for this great email with diagrams.
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> We are in agreement all the way.
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> The only reason why I wouldn't do a curve is because it doesn't have a flex, but if other people don't care whether there's a flex at the end or not then it doesn't matter does it?!
> 
> Thanks so much for this email. Very informative.
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> <Valerie Sutton Name Sign.png>
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> Val ;-)
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>> On Feb 17, 2022, at 8:55 AM, Adam Frost <icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM <mailto:icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM>> wrote:
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>> That’s part of the reason I asked. ;-) I have several people off the list that I have been asking as well. Even some who aren’t familiar or skilled with SignWriting, just to see an alternative view in case there might be a more simple option.
>> 
>> So I have settled down with this as the main option:
>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-17 at 8.33.20 AM.png>
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>> It actually takes the exact spelling of 22 on both hands. It seems that most people that I have talked with don’t see the paths overlapping that often. They can, but not usually.
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>> If the sign is made larger and/or with more repeated wrist flex, it seems to be possible that there is an overlapping path. I had tired to write it like this:
>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-17 at 8.40.39 AM.png>
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>> But it seems that the above spelling isn’t very readable to many people of various SignWriting skill levels. So I tried this option below, and it seems it is more readily understandable.
>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-17 at 8.37.20 AM.png>
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>> So, if I were to follow the same principle and write the straight general movement rather than the curved, I found this is actually more readable than the combined arrows.
>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-17 at 8.43.55 AM.png>
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>> But now for the curve ball! I have asked several people (off the list) what movement they see with that sign. The ones that don’t know SignWriting at all generally said they see a straight down movement and then a curve, which may or may not be repeated. To follow that interpretation of the movement, I wrote this option below. I know that it doesn’t have a wrist flex, but even when I asked specifically if the sign bends at the wrist, I was mostly told it doesn’t matter if it does or not.
>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-17 at 8.52.34 AM.png>
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>> So it seems that the two main options I have found are <Screen Shot 2022-02-17 at 8.33.20 AM.png> and <Screen Shot 2022-02-17 at 8.52.34 AM.png>. I would personally go with the first option, but I do see the thinking behind the second one.
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>> <namesign.png>
>> Adam
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>>> On Feb 17, 2022, at 6:56 AM, Uta Meißner <uta.hielscher at GMAIL.COM <mailto:uta.hielscher at GMAIL.COM>> wrote:
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>>> Same here. :) 
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>>> And I think that's good, because the more often we are of the same opinion, the higher the probability of success with the sign search. 
>>> 
>>> The exchange is great here! 
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>>> Uta
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>>> 
>>> Carlos Cristian Libras <carloscristianlibras at gmail.com> schrieb am Do., 17. Feb. 2022, 00:56:
>>> I Like First entries for "signtesseing". I look clean.
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 6:19 PM AnnaGrace Greenfield <msannagrace20 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Adam,
>>> 
>>> I like the two recent entries for "sightseeing." Thumbs up!
>>> 
>>> ~ AnnaGrace
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 4:10 PM Adam Frost <icemandeaf at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I agree that the first writing is probably the most accurate, but it just seems to be bigger than the other writings. I just added a couple of other spellings, both with the wrist movement written into them.
>>> 
>>> https://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=3535,11549,11550,11551,11552&sTrm=sightsee&type=any&sTxt=&sSrc=&
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>>> <namesign.png>
>>> Adam
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 16, 2022, at 10:19 AM, AnnaGrace Greenfield <msannagrace20 at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Adam,
>>>> 
>>>> I looked in the links you provided.
>>>> 
>>>> I like the first entry for "sightseeing." The second one is okay, and I find it acceptable. The third one is understandable, but I like the second one better. :-) 
>>>> 
>>>> If all three remain in the SignPuddle, then these three serve as an example of sign variations and of how they can be written in slightly different ways.
>>>> 
>>>> Below is a video link of the sign "sightseeing" being used. It's in timestamp 01:15. I see the wrist action here. I use the wrist action myself. That's why I like the first entry in the SignPuddle. If other signers don't use the wrist flick, then entries two and three in the SignPuddle apply. 
>>>> 
>>>> Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjazaX9YDS0
>>>> 
>>>> Well, that's my feedback. Hope this helps!
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> AnnaGrace
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>>>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 12:19 PM Adam Frost <icemandeaf at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> This has been one sign that I have been trying to see what is the best way to write. It has the similar movement as 22 from earlier discussion except that it uses both hands.
>>>> 
>>>> Here is a video of it for those who aren’t sure of the sign.
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>>>> https://www.signingsavvy.com/sign/SIGHTSEE/12560/1
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>>>> Here are a few different spellings that I have done of this sign in SignPuddle. I am not sure how I feel about them being the best spelling.
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>>>> https://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=3535,11549,11550&sTrm=sightsee&type=any&sTxt=&sSrc=&
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>>>> <namesign.png>
>>>> Adam
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