[Sw-l] [SPAM] Re: Spelling of Sightseeing

Thu Feb 17 20:47:07 UTC 2022

Olá  João Paulo,
Sim, você está certo (Yes, you are right). I like that.

Two thumbs up.

André

De :  João Paulo Ampessan <joamp29 at GMAIL.COM>
Répondre à :  "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages"
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Date :  Thu, 17 Feb 2022 16:23:11 -0300
À :  <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
Objet :  Re: [SPAM] Re: Spelling of Sightseeing

Here is João Paulo Ampessan.
Cool! surprised that they are discussing about movement, because here in
Brazil we were also discussing about it. I also thought move symbol for me
there is no different, because they are the same. an example I put image.
for me, it same! 

Em qui., 17 de fev. de 2022 às 16:07, André Thibeault <atg at videotron.ca>
escreveu:
> Hi Val, Adam and everyone,
> 
> Adam and Val: Thank you for your answer.
> 
> Adam signwrote: 
>                                      A) MOVE (ASL)
> 
> I signwrite: 
>                       B) MOVE (ASL)
> 
> Is B) MOVE the correct spelling?  If so, A) MOVE is more commonly used. B)
> MOVE is more rarely used. I like an ASL sign for B) MOVE because B) MOVE is
> more economical than A) MOVE.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> André
> 
> De :  Adam Frost <icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM>
> Répondre à :  "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages"
> <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
> Date :  Thu, 17 Feb 2022 08:55:01 -0800
> À :  <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
> Objet :  Re: [SPAM] Re: Spelling of Sightseeing
> 
> That¹s part of the reason I asked. ;-) I have several people off the list that
> I have been asking as well. Even some who aren¹t familiar or skilled with
> SignWriting, just to see an alternative view in case there might be a more
> simple option.
> 
> So I have settled down with this as the main option:
> 
> It actually takes the exact spelling of 22 on both hands. It seems that most
> people that I have talked with don¹t see the paths overlapping that often.
> They can, but not usually.
> 
> If the sign is made larger and/or with more repeated wrist flex, it seems to
> be possible that there is an overlapping path. I had tired to write it like
> this:
> 
> But it seems that the above spelling isn¹t very readable to many people of
> various SignWriting skill levels. So I tried this option below, and it seems
> it is more readily understandable.
> 
> So, if I were to follow the same principle and write the straight general
> movement rather than the curved, I found this is actually more readable than
> the combined arrows.
> 
> But now for the curve ball! I have asked several people (off the list) what
> movement they see with that sign. The ones that don¹t know SignWriting at all
> generally said they see a straight down movement and then a curve, which may
> or may not be repeated. To follow that interpretation of the movement, I wrote
> this option below. I know that it doesn¹t have a wrist flex, but even when I
> asked specifically if the sign bends at the wrist, I was mostly told it
> doesn¹t matter if it does or not.
> 
> So it seems that the two main options I have found are  and . I would
> personally go with the first option, but I do see the thinking behind the
> second one.
> 
> 
> Adam
> 
>> On Feb 17, 2022, at 6:56 AM, Uta Meißner <uta.hielscher at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>> 
>> Same here. :) 
>> 
>> And I think that's good, because the more often we are of the same opinion,
>> the higher the probability of success with the sign search.
>> 
>> The exchange is great here!
>> 
>> Uta
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Carlos Cristian Libras <carloscristianlibras at gmail.com> schrieb am Do., 17.
>> Feb. 2022, 00:56:
>>> I Like First entries for "signtesseing". I look clean.
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 6:19 PM AnnaGrace Greenfield
>>> <msannagrace20 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Adam,
>>>> 
>>>> I like the two recent entries for "sightseeing." Thumbs up!
>>>> 
>>>> ~ AnnaGrace
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 4:10 PM Adam Frost <icemandeaf at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I agree that the first writing is probably the most accurate, but it just
>>>>> seems to be bigger than the other writings. I just added a couple of other
>>>>> spellings, both with the wrist movement written into them.
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=3535,
>>>>> 11549,11550,11551,11552&sTrm=sightsee&type=any&sTxt=&sSrc=&
>>>>> 
>>>>> <namesign.png>
>>>>> Adam
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 16, 2022, at 10:19 AM, AnnaGrace Greenfield
>>>>>> <msannagrace20 at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Adam,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I looked in the links you provided.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I like the first entry for "sightseeing." The second one is okay, and I
>>>>>> find it acceptable. The third one is understandable, but I like the
>>>>>> second one better. :-)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If all three remain in the SignPuddle, then these three serve as an
>>>>>> example of sign variations and of how they can be written in slightly
>>>>>> different ways.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Below is a video link of the sign "sightseeing" being used. It's in
>>>>>> timestamp 01:15. I see the wrist action here. I use the wrist action
>>>>>> myself. That's why I like the first entry in the SignPuddle. If other
>>>>>> signers don't use the wrist flick, then entries two and three in the
>>>>>> SignPuddle apply.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjazaX9YDS0
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Well, that's my feedback. Hope this helps!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> AnnaGrace
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 12:19 PM Adam Frost <icemandeaf at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> This has been one sign that I have been trying to see what is the best
>>>>>>> way to write. It has the similar movement as 22 from earlier discussion
>>>>>>> except that it uses both hands.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Here is a video of it for those who aren¹t sure of the sign.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> https://www.signingsavvy.com/sign/SIGHTSEE/12560/1
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Here are a few different spellings that I have done of this sign in
>>>>>>> SignPuddle. I am not sure how I feel about them being the best spelling.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> https://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/searchword.php?ui=1&sgn=4&sid=353
>>>>>>> 5,11549,11550&sTrm=sightsee&type=any&sTxt=&sSrc=&
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> <namesign.png>
>>>>>>> Adam
>>>>>>> 
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Centro de Comunicação e Expressão - CCE
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