[Sw-l] Scissors Finger Movements

Tue Feb 22 00:05:17 UTC 2022

Hi Adam,

Yes, I agree. That's the challenging part of signwriting. Thanks for your
feedback.

~ AnnaGrace

On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 7:04 PM Adam Frost <icemandeaf at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sadly, I wouldn’t read it as the right hand’s fingertips touching the
> corner of the mouth – or even the chin – as it is written. It would take me
> a while to see that there is some contact going on, and then I would assume
> that it is under the chin or even on the neck.
>
> That is why the hinges were moved where they were so the handshape could
> clearly show the contact.
>
>
> Adam
>
> On Feb 21, 2022, at 3:56 PM, Ms. AnnaGrace <msannagrace20 at GMAIL.COM>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Adam,
>
> Here's another case of adjusting a bit the <Screen Shot 2022-02-21 at
> 6.28.28 PM.png> grapheme to make it more clear which finger the hinge
> moves:
> <SW DELICIOUS 1 with red arrows.png>
>
> I've also added the touch symbol on the chin area.
> Your thoughts?
>
> Thanks,
> AnnaGrace
>
> On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 6:51 PM Adam Frost <icemandeaf at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sure, that works fine too.
>>
>> <namesign.png>
>> Adam
>>
>> On Feb 21, 2022, at 3:31 PM, Ms. AnnaGrace <msannagrace20 at GMAIL.COM>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Adam,
>>
>> Thank you so much for your feedback! It is much appreciated.
>>
>> As for the spelling for DOG. I like it - but I do have a question about
>> the placement of the hinge<Screen Shot 2022-02-21 at 6.28.28 PM.png>
>>  grapheme.
>> For further clarification on which finger to hinge, I moved the hinge
>> grapheme to another location
>> to specify which finger to hinge, which is the middle finger, in the sign
>> for DOG.
>> The red arrow below shows where I relocated it.
>> What are your thoughts?
>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-21 at 6.24.24 PM.png>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> AnnaGrace
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 5:12 PM Adam Frost <icemandeaf at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Here is a possible writing of DOG with the hinge finger movements.
>>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-21 at 2.03.26 PM.png>
>>>
>>> DELICIOUS
>>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-21 at 2.06.18 PM.png>
>>>
>>> SMOOTH
>>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-21 at 2.09.34 PM.png>
>>>
>>> Hmm… I’m not sure how I feel about the last two. Maybe just doing the
>>> ending handshapes would be more readable in this. I must say that DOG looks
>>> pretty readable.
>>>
>>> What are everyone else's thoughts?
>>>
>>> <namesign.png>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>> On Feb 21, 2022, at 2:02 PM, Adam Frost <icemandeaf at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think there is some confusion about the scissor movement. The fingers
>>> ONLY move side to side, like scissors. The fingers don’t hinge forward
>>> just as they don’t in the image of scissors here.
>>>
>>> <cut-scissors.gif>
>>>
>>> So the ASL signs for DOG, DELICIOUS, and SMOOTH would not use the
>>> scissor finger movement as the fingers hinge forward.
>>>
>>> I will be honest that I have never tried writing DELICIOUS or SMOOTH
>>> using finger movements. I have with DOG, but our discussion about how to
>>> write the sign WHAT-DO or #DO-DO lead me to think of the possibility of
>>> using hinge movements for these signs as well. I will try to write them in
>>> the next email to show what I am thinking. :-)
>>>
>>> <namesign.png>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>> On Feb 21, 2022, at 8:27 AM, Ms. AnnaGrace <msannagrace20 at GMAIL.COM>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> There are two signs I can think of that use the scissor movement that
>>> starts and ends with a closed position.
>>>
>>> They are SMOOTH and DELICIOUS. I am attaching the videos for these
>>> signs. (In the DELICIOUS video, you can finally get a peek at my face!)
>>>
>>> For SMOOTH:
>>> (This signs starts and ends with a closed middle finger and thumb
>>> position. These two fingers slide together using the hinge movement from
>>> the middle finger.)
>>> <SW SMOOTH 1.png>
>>>
>>> For DELICIOUS:
>>> (This is a composite sign. This is the SW spelling I could come up with.
>>> Do you have another SW spelling for this sign?)
>>>
>>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-21 at 11.23.56 AM.png>
>>>
>>> Chat with you soon,
>>>
>>> AnnaGrace
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 5:33 PM Ms. AnnaGrace <msannagrace20 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yay, yay!
>>>>
>>>> ~ AnnaGrace
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 5:31 PM Adam Frost <icemandeaf at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That is correct.
>>>>>
>>>>> <namesign.png>
>>>>> Adam
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 20, 2022, at 2:27 PM, Ms. AnnaGrace <msannagrace20 at GMAIL.COM>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>> I understand Adam's recent message. And it makes sense to me.
>>>>> My application for that particular signwriting would be "to unfriend
>>>>> someone on Facebook." Am I right, Adam?
>>>>>
>>>>> ~ AnnaGrace
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 5:01 PM Adam Frost <icemandeaf at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I doubt it is in SignPuddle. In fact, I wasn’t able to find it in a
>>>>>> search.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is the spelling as if it were like fingerspelling RV, but with a
>>>>>> different palm facing.
>>>>>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-20 at 2.00.26 PM.png>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is how I was thinking of writing it with the scissor movement.
>>>>>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-20 at 2.00.56 PM.png>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can create a video if you would like me to. :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <namesign.png>
>>>>>> Adam
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 20, 2022, at 1:55 PM, Valerie Sutton <sutton at SIGNWRITING.ORG>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> SignWriting List
>>>>>> February 20, 2022
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is the name of the sign? Is it already in SignPuddle? Or can you
>>>>>> show us the sign?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> —
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 20, 2022, at 1:34 PM, Adam Frost <icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can’t think of an ASL sign that would start with an H-handshape
>>>>>> that then opens to a V-handshape. But there is one that starts with an
>>>>>> R-handshape and then opens to a V-handshape. Would that use the scissor
>>>>>> movement, or would that be something else?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <namesign.png>
>>>>>> Adam
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ——
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <Valerie_Signature_5.jpg>
>>>>>> Val ;-)
>>>>>>
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>>> for SMOOTH.MOV><Sign for DELICIOUS.MOV>
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