[Sw-l] Scissors Finger Movements

Adam Frost icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM
Tue Feb 22 00:03:43 UTC 2022 

Sadly, I wouldn’t read it as the right hand’s fingertips touching the corner of the mouth – or even the chin – as it is written. It would take me a while to see that there is some contact going on, and then I would assume that it is under the chin or even on the neck.

That is why the hinges were moved where they were so the handshape could clearly show the contact.


Adam

> On Feb 21, 2022, at 3:56 PM, Ms. AnnaGrace <msannagrace20 at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> 
> Hi Adam,
> 
> Here's another case of adjusting a bit the <Screen Shot 2022-02-21 at 6.28.28 PM.png> grapheme to make it more clear which finger the hinge moves:
> <SW DELICIOUS 1 with red arrows.png>
> 
> I've also added the touch symbol on the chin area. 
> Your thoughts?
> 
> Thanks,
> AnnaGrace
> 
> On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 6:51 PM Adam Frost <icemandeaf at gmail.com <mailto:icemandeaf at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Sure, that works fine too.
> 
> <namesign.png>
> Adam
> 
>> On Feb 21, 2022, at 3:31 PM, Ms. AnnaGrace <msannagrace20 at GMAIL.COM <mailto:msannagrace20 at GMAIL.COM>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Adam,
>> 
>> Thank you so much for your feedback! It is much appreciated.
>> 
>> As for the spelling for DOG. I like it - but I do have a question about the placement of the hinge<Screen Shot 2022-02-21 at 6.28.28 PM.png> grapheme.
>> For further clarification on which finger to hinge, I moved the hinge grapheme to another location
>> to specify which finger to hinge, which is the middle finger, in the sign for DOG. 
>> The red arrow below shows where I relocated it.
>> What are your thoughts?
>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-21 at 6.24.24 PM.png>
>>  
>> Thanks,
>> AnnaGrace
>> 
>> On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 5:12 PM Adam Frost <icemandeaf at gmail.com <mailto:icemandeaf at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Here is a possible writing of DOG with the hinge finger movements.
>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-21 at 2.03.26 PM.png>
>> 
>> DELICIOUS
>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-21 at 2.06.18 PM.png>
>> 
>> SMOOTH
>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-21 at 2.09.34 PM.png>
>> 
>> Hmm… I’m not sure how I feel about the last two. Maybe just doing the ending handshapes would be more readable in this. I must say that DOG looks pretty readable.
>> 
>> What are everyone else's thoughts?
>> 
>> <namesign.png>
>> Adam
>> 
>>> On Feb 21, 2022, at 2:02 PM, Adam Frost <icemandeaf at gmail.com <mailto:icemandeaf at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think there is some confusion about the scissor movement. The fingers ONLY move side to side, like scissors. The fingers don’t hinge forward just as they don’t in the image of scissors here.
>>> 
>>> <cut-scissors.gif>
>>> 
>>> So the ASL signs for DOG, DELICIOUS, and SMOOTH would not use the scissor finger movement as the fingers hinge forward.
>>> 
>>> I will be honest that I have never tried writing DELICIOUS or SMOOTH using finger movements. I have with DOG, but our discussion about how to write the sign WHAT-DO or #DO-DO lead me to think of the possibility of using hinge movements for these signs as well. I will try to write them in the next email to show what I am thinking. :-)
>>> 
>>> <namesign.png>
>>> Adam
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 21, 2022, at 8:27 AM, Ms. AnnaGrace <msannagrace20 at GMAIL.COM <mailto:msannagrace20 at GMAIL.COM>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi All,
>>>> 
>>>> There are two signs I can think of that use the scissor movement that starts and ends with a closed position. 
>>>> 
>>>> They are SMOOTH and DELICIOUS. I am attaching the videos for these signs. (In the DELICIOUS video, you can finally get a peek at my face!)
>>>> 
>>>> For SMOOTH: 
>>>> (This signs starts and ends with a closed middle finger and thumb position. These two fingers slide together using the hinge movement from the middle finger.) 
>>>> <SW SMOOTH 1.png> 
>>>>            
>>>> For DELICIOUS: 
>>>> (This is a composite sign. This is the SW spelling I could come up with. 
>>>> Do you have another SW spelling for this sign?)
>>>> 
>>>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-21 at 11.23.56 AM.png>
>>>> 
>>>> Chat with you soon,
>>>> 
>>>> AnnaGrace
>>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 5:33 PM Ms. AnnaGrace <msannagrace20 at gmail.com <mailto:msannagrace20 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> Yay, yay!
>>>> 
>>>> ~ AnnaGrace
>>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 5:31 PM Adam Frost <icemandeaf at gmail.com <mailto:icemandeaf at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> That is correct.
>>>> 
>>>> <namesign.png>
>>>> Adam
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 20, 2022, at 2:27 PM, Ms. AnnaGrace <msannagrace20 at GMAIL.COM <mailto:msannagrace20 at GMAIL.COM>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I understand Adam's recent message. And it makes sense to me.
>>>>> My application for that particular signwriting would be "to unfriend someone on Facebook." Am I right, Adam?
>>>>> 
>>>>> ~ AnnaGrace
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 5:01 PM Adam Frost <icemandeaf at gmail.com <mailto:icemandeaf at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> I doubt it is in SignPuddle. In fact, I wasn’t able to find it in a search.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Here is the spelling as if it were like fingerspelling RV, but with a different palm facing.
>>>>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-20 at 2.00.26 PM.png>
>>>>> 
>>>>> This is how I was thinking of writing it with the scissor movement.
>>>>> <Screen Shot 2022-02-20 at 2.00.56 PM.png>
>>>>> 
>>>>> I can create a video if you would like me to. :-)
>>>>> 
>>>>> <namesign.png>
>>>>> Adam
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 20, 2022, at 1:55 PM, Valerie Sutton <sutton at SIGNWRITING.ORG <mailto:sutton at SIGNWRITING.ORG>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> SignWriting List
>>>>>> February 20, 2022
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> What is the name of the sign? Is it already in SignPuddle? Or can you show us the sign?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> —
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Feb 20, 2022, at 1:34 PM, Adam Frost <icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM <mailto:icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I can’t think of an ASL sign that would start with an H-handshape that then opens to a V-handshape. But there is one that starts with an R-handshape and then opens to a V-handshape. Would that use the scissor movement, or would that be something else?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> <namesign.png>
>>>>>>> Adam
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ——
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> <Valerie_Signature_5.jpg>
>>>>>> Val ;-)
>>>>>> 
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