[Sw-l] [SPAM] Re: The LIddell and Johnson Movement-Hold Model

[Uta Meißner]

Dear Valerie,

very much for your answer. Your answers will help us a lot to move forward
with our signwriting.

First example: Geschwindigkeit / speed
you are right, the sign has  an emphasis on one direction. I adopt your
suggestion. :)



On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 6:15 PM Valerie Sutton <sutton at signwriting.org>
wrote:

> SignWriting List
> January 26, 2022
>
> Hello SignWriting List and Uta!
>
> Thank you, Uta, for this wonderful message. Let me answer one question at
> a time. And I certainly hope others will answer too ;-)
>
> I love your work and look forward to long hours studying it ;-)
>
> Meanwhile, your first question below about how to write fast reduplicated
> movement.
>
> Attached is my diagram. I saw the video. When a movement is 2 very fast
> with an emphasis on one direction, we write it this way, with two arrows in
> one direction.
>
>
>
>
> ______________
>
> - Geschwindigkeit (speed):
> https://sign2mint.de/entry/Geschwindigkeit/5750242766511595:118
>
> This gesture contains a reduplicated movement -> M +.
> Do you see it the same way?
>
> ____________
>
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> On Jan 26, 2022, at 6:16 AM, Uta Meißner <uta.hielscher at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm interested to know if you guys think of the model when you're
> transcribing a gesture. I usually don't. But I think it might be a good
> idea to consider this model. Only, I have trouble determining the correct
> M-H syllable in some signs.
>
> For a common understanding there are examples:
>
> - Geschwindigkeit (speed):
> https://sign2mint.de/entry/Geschwindigkeit/5750242766511595:118
>
> This gesture contains a reduplicated movement -> M +.
> Do you see it the same way?
>
> - Default
> https://sign2mint.de/entry/Default/8088731661663380:55
>
> This gesture contains a reduplicated movement with hold -> MH +.
> Do you see it like this?
>
> Impuls:
> https://sign2mint.de/entry/Impuls/5750242766511595:801
>
> This gesture contains a simple movement with hold -> MH
>
> I'm not sure when a hold is when there is a simple contact (*) or when the
> movement is stopped (~).
>
> So, now I come to a problem:
> Which syllable has this sign?  HMH ? or MH +
> https://sign2mint.de/entry/Daten/8088731661663380:40
>
> Which syllable has this sign?
> <image.png>
> HMH
> or
> <image.png>
> MH + but in different places
>
> <image.png>
> or this signwriting. HMH.
>
> Which sign writing do you prefer. Or would you write the sign differently.
>
> I can't tell when the gesture starts. When the right hand already arrives
> at the left hand or before.
> Is it possible to determine this for sure using The LIddell and Johnson
> Movement-Hold Model?
>
> It is important to me that the gesture can be found safely by most users
> via signsearch.
>
> What movement symbols would you choose:
> There are 5 different movement tracks in signsearch:
> - straight motion trace
> - wavy motion trace
> - angular motion trace
> - circular motion track
> - spiral motion track
>
> Which sign writing do you prefer. Or would you write the sign differently.
>
> It is important to me that the sign can be found via signsearch.
>
> What movement symbols would you choose:
> There are 5 different motion traces in signsearch:
> - straight motion trace
> - wavy motion trace
> - angular motion trace
> - circular motion track
> - spiral motion track
>
>
> It is important to me that the sign search works well, that a searched
> sign is found with only a few selected symbols. And this is really the case
> with many signs. :) We are very proud of this, but we want to make it even
> better. :)
>
> I am looking forward to your knowledge and experience. :)
>
> Best regards
> and a nice day to all of you
>
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