[Sw-l] The LIddell and Johnson Movement-Hold Model

[Valerie Sutton]

SignWriting List
January 26, 2022

Hello SignWriting List and Uta!

Thank you, Uta, for this wonderful message. Let me answer one question at a time. And I certainly hope others will answer too ;-)

I love your work and look forward to long hours studying it ;-)

Meanwhile, your first question below about how to write fast reduplicated movement.

Attached is my diagram. I saw the video. When a movement is 2 very fast with an emphasis on one direction, we write it this way, with two arrows in one direction. 






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- Geschwindigkeit (speed):
https://sign2mint.de/entry/Geschwindigkeit/5750242766511595:118

This gesture contains a reduplicated movement -> M +. 
Do you see it the same way? 

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> On Jan 26, 2022, at 6:16 AM, Uta Meißner <uta.hielscher at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm interested to know if you guys think of the model when you're transcribing a gesture. I usually don't. But I think it might be a good idea to consider this model. Only, I have trouble determining the correct M-H syllable in some signs. 
> 
> For a common understanding there are examples:
> 
> - Geschwindigkeit (speed):
> https://sign2mint.de/entry/Geschwindigkeit/5750242766511595:118
> 
> This gesture contains a reduplicated movement -> M +. 
> Do you see it the same way? 
> 
> - Default
> https://sign2mint.de/entry/Default/8088731661663380:55
> 
> This gesture contains a reduplicated movement with hold -> MH +.
> Do you see it like this?
> 
> Impuls:
> https://sign2mint.de/entry/Impuls/5750242766511595:801
> 
> This gesture contains a simple movement with hold -> MH
> 
> I'm not sure when a hold is when there is a simple contact (*) or when the movement is stopped (~). 
> 
> So, now I come to a problem:
> Which syllable has this sign?  HMH ? or MH +
> https://sign2mint.de/entry/Daten/8088731661663380:40
> 
> Which syllable has this sign? 
> <image.png>
> HMH
> or
> <image.png>
> MH + but in different places
> 
> <image.png>
> or this signwriting. HMH. 
> 
> Which sign writing do you prefer. Or would you write the sign differently.
> 
> I can't tell when the gesture starts. When the right hand already arrives at the left hand or before. 
> Is it possible to determine this for sure using The LIddell and Johnson Movement-Hold Model?
> 
> It is important to me that the gesture can be found safely by most users via signsearch. 
> 
> What movement symbols would you choose:
> There are 5 different movement tracks in signsearch:
> - straight motion trace
> - wavy motion trace
> - angular motion trace
> - circular motion track
> - spiral motion track
> 
> Which sign writing do you prefer. Or would you write the sign differently. 
> 
> It is important to me that the sign can be found via signsearch. 
> 
> What movement symbols would you choose:
> There are 5 different motion traces in signsearch:
> - straight motion trace
> - wavy motion trace
> - angular motion trace
> - circular motion track
> - spiral motion track
> 
> 
> It is important to me that the sign search works well, that a searched sign is found with only a few selected symbols. And this is really the case with many signs. :) We are very proud of this, but we want to make it even better. :) 
> 
> I am looking forward to your knowledge and experience. :)
> 
> Best regards 
> and a nice day to all of you

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