[Sw-l] How do you write SW as fast as script writing for spoken languages?

Sat Mar 19 23:49:16 UTC 2022

Hi Val and everyone,

Yes, I remember that I participated in the online handwriting course. But,
it was a very short time because of your health problem. I was happy that
you took good care of yourself.

Best regards,

André

Le 22-03-19 18:03, « Valerie Sutton » <sutton at SIGNWRITING.ORG> a écrit :

>SignWriting List
>March 19, 2022
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>Old course onlineŠyears agoŠ we even had homework that I posted -
>everyone did real wellŠ smile...
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>Write SignWriting by Hand
>https://www.signwriting.org/lessons/cursive/cursive.html
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>> On Mar 19, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Valerie Sutton <sutton at SIGNWRITING.ORG>
>>wrote:
>> 
>> Adam¹s video and slides on SW Handwriting in 2014:
>> 
>> https://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0003.html#video
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 19, 2022, at 11:01 AM, Valerie Sutton <sutton at SIGNWRITING.ORG>
>>>wrote:
>>> 
>>> SignWriting List
>>> March 19, 2022
>>> 
>>> Hello SignWriting List, Sutthikhun, Carlos, AnnaGrace and Adam,
>>> 
>>> Thank you for this discussion on SignWriting Shorthand and
>>>HandwritingŠ. let¹s keep talking...
>>> 
>>> Adam, and all of you, are the next generation of handwritersŠ it needs
>>>to be based on the way people are writing SignWriting Printing, that is
>>>used for publishing today Šso that there is a clear connection with
>>>SignWriting Printing, Handwriting and Shorthand of this era - 2022 and
>>>forward...
>>> 
>>> Meanwhile, since you mentioned the old eraŠ.from an historical
>>>perspective, we certainly did have a successful Shorthand back in the
>>>1980s. It was based on the SignWriting Printing of that era, which was
>>>written with a full stick figure, Receptive, and written horizontally.
>>> 
>>> I will be happy to post the 1980¹s books, if it would be useful. But I
>>>don¹t want to confuse people eitherŠ
>>> 
>>> To explain, we took shorthand notes of complete classes at CSUN
>>>(California State University of Northridge), based on the interpreters
>>>who were signing the classes for Deaf participants, and then later the
>>>shorthand notetakers re-wrote the shorthand notes for the Deaf
>>>participants so they would have something to refer to from the class -
>>>the SW shorthand notes were written at speed while the interpreter was
>>>signing so they were oftentimes a little messy so then the new notes
>>>that were re-written, were in clearer SignWriting for the reader.
>>> 
>>> But then I learned from a linguist who worked with our DAC (Deaf
>>>Action Committee), Dr. Karen van Hoek, that Karen used the Shorthand
>>>system to write for daily use for herself and her notes and she avoided
>>>the formal SignWriting for her own personal notetaking. I was really
>>>happy about that of course -
>>> 
>>> So why are we not using the 1980¹s Shorthand today? Because the DAC
>>>asked for important changes to SignWriting in the late 1980s:
>>> 
>>> some of the changes were...
>>> 
>>> 1. Receptive changed to Expressive
>>> 
>>> 2. Writing horizontally changed to writing in vertical columns
>>> 
>>> 3. Some hand symbols changed - and the list goes on with the changesŠ
>>> 
>>> So here is my question for you all -
>>> 
>>> If I post the old SignWriting Shorthand materials, will it confuse
>>>your modern development of SignWriting Handwriting and Shorthand?
>>> 
>>> It could be beneficial in some ways too - just as long as you all
>>>realize how long ago this wasŠ and it is really meant for the history
>>>archives.
>>> 
>>> Adam, how do you feel about this? Should I post the 1980¹s Shorthand
>>>book?
>>> 
>>> If we had a new Shorthand book side by side with it, that might make
>>>it clear, the differencesŠ hmmmŠ. another project! ;-)
>>> 
>>> Val ;-)
>>> 
>>> ________________
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 19, 2022, at 9:26 AM, Adam Frost <icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> This has always been an interesting discussion for me. :-)
>>>> 
>>>> I never really learned SignWriting shorthand as it was designed and
>>>>used originally. I did talk about it with Valerie quite extensively,
>>>>though. She had told me that the handbook you are referring to needed
>>>>to be updated if it were to be used because the system has gone
>>>>through a lot of changes since it has been in use. That is probably
>>>>why it isn¹t available for download.
>>>> 
>>>> Carlos sent you a link to a presentation that I did on this topic. It
>>>>is a good place to start, but even my handwriting has changed since
>>>>then since it is coming up on 10 years since. Wow! I guess I should
>>>>look at how I handwrite now and document it somehow. I know that there
>>>>are a lot of symbol changes for faster writing, for one.
>>>> 
>>>> I have also been doing a lot of dictionary sorting lately so I have
>>>>been writing by SignSpellingSequence. I have often wondered if it were
>>>>to become established and commonly used if inputing solely by
>>>>SignSpellingSequence would be a fast way to write as well. It makes it
>>>>easy for writing, but makes reading very difficult as it loses all
>>>>visual aspect of SignWriting, so I am not so sure if it is a good
>>>>thing to consider. Ha!
>>>> 
>>>> I have also been testing out various approaches to make it so I can
>>>>write fewer symbols, including the use of timing symbols in a new way,
>>>>but I haven¹t really gotten to a place where I am satisfied that it
>>>>works well. I know that I mentioned it in the presentation I gave in
>>>>2014 and it has been picked up by others around the world, but I
>>>>haven¹t really used it much myself.
>>>> 
>>>> <namesign.png>
>>>> Adam
>>> 
>>> _______________
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 19, 2022, at 2:36 AM, Sutthikhun Phaengphongsai
>>>>><suttikunep at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you for your answer and the link you provided, Carlos!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sutthikhun
>>> 
>>> _______________
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, 18 Mar 2022 at 23:56, Ms. AnnaGrace
>>>>><msannagrace20 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I was thinking about shorthand too!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you, Carlos, for the link. :-)
>>>>> 
>>>>> AnnaGrace
>>> 
>>> _______________
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 12:19 PM Carlos Cristian Libras
>>>>><carloscristianlibras at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I make daily use of SW in shorthand.
>>>>> I took a part of Adam presentation from the link -
>>>>> https://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0003.html#abstract
>>>>> 
>>>>> Another friend from Ethiopia also made some cursive hand shapes,
>>>>>which I copied. Some forms I invented myself to facilitate my
>>>>>registration.
>>>>> Last month I did a translation that I will record a video in ASL and
>>>>>before recording I wrote everything with SW shorthand, and then I
>>>>>recorded it. So I use it daily, and I know many others around the
>>>>>world use it too.
>>>>> 
>>> __________________
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 10:30 AM Sutthikhun Phaengphongsai
>>>>><suttikunep at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi everyone in SW List! Let me ask you something ‹
>>>>>     € Is SW shorthand still in use nowadays? I remember SW used to
>>>>>have a handbook for writing shorthand as well, unfortunately I can't
>>>>>find a link to download it.
>>>>>     € Do you usually apply SW shorthand in your writing? If not, how
>>>>>do you write as fast as script writing for spoken languages? Writing
>>>>>with SW, in my opinion, is a hybrid between sketching and writing,
>>>>>which makes it too slow to write if you want to take quick notes.
>>>>> Thank you ;)
>>>>> Sutthikhun
>> 
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