[Sw-l] SignWriting Shorthand for Sign Language Stenography 1982

Fri Mar 25 21:07:13 UTC 2022

Thanks for explaining, Adam.

~ AnnaGrace

On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 4:46 PM Adam Frost <icemandeaf at gmail.com> wrote:

> I wouldn’t consider handwriting and shorthand in SignWriting to be the
> same thing. I know that there isn’t much documentation and they aren’t very
> developed in general use, so that might be why the two might seem to be
> very similar.
>
> Handwriting generally has a one-to-one correlation to block printing,
> which is what we typically write with on computers. There may be a few
> cases where one handwritten symbol can mean several block printing symbols,
> but those are the exceptions rather than the norm.
>
> Shorthand, one the other hand, generally has several possible
> interpretations for which symbol(s) it correlates to. For example, a
> shorthand symbol might mean any number of block printing symbols with
> different fills and/or flips/rotations. It is also possible to have one
> shorthand symbol mean a collection of block printing symbols. We have seen
> this with the use of the timing symbols to mean the left hand mirrors the
> handshape and movements of the right hand as written.
>
> The similarity of handwriting and shorthand is that their symbols
> generally only have a couple of strokes at the most. Shorthand symbols tend
> to be even more simplified than handwritten symbols and rarely have symbols
> written with more than one stroke.
>
>
> Adam
>
> On Mar 25, 2022, at 1:18 PM, Ms. AnnaGrace <msannagrace20 at GMAIL.COM>
> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> The way I see it, there's block lettering, handwriting, and shorthand.
> Especially in the American English language.
>
> In SignWriting, is shorthand the same as handwriting? Just wondering...
>
> Thanks,
> AnnaGrace
>
> On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 3:50 PM Sutthikhun Phaengphongsai <
> suttikunep at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thank you so much for your help in finding the old
>> documents. Fortunately, you can find the scanned files without having to
>> re-scan them all over again. This appears to be a document containing a
>> large ASL vocabulary as well as a shorthand for each word. That's amazing!
>>
>> It seems like the old shorthand is a lot different than what I expected,
>> in that it has a number of systematic writing rules and principles
>> to know. I'm not sure if anyone can still write this style of shorthand
>> today, and I'm curious to see how fast it can be written.
>>
>> Shorthand, as many of you know, is a writing system that allows you to
>> take notes at a speed that is comparable to speech. Shorthands for spoken
>> languages are usually performed by listening to the voice and taking notes
>> by hand, but it's interesting to know that the shorthand for sign languages
>> is performed by looking at the signers with the eyes and taking notes by
>> hand.
>>
>> Does this imply that sign language stenographers will take notes without
>> glancing at the paper? I suppose that the shorthand of DanceWriting would
>> follow the same way. I feel that writing at a fast pace without looking at
>> the paper is quite challenging!
>>
>> Sutthikhun
>>
>> On Fri, 25 Mar 2022 at 01:19, Ms. AnnaGrace <msannagrace20 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>  Scribble Sample on Apple iPad.mov
>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nW4l8z1QwZ4j5dW2Wqje4W-fqQ_47vnH/view?usp=drive_web>
>>> If Apple could come up with this method of converting handwritten
>>> symbols (eg, the English alphabet and words), could we use this method for
>>> SignWriting? Please see the attached video, and you'll see what I mean.
>>> Could anyone on the SW List tell me if this is possible for SignWriting?
>>> Thanks,
>>> AnnaGrace
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 10:14 AM Jonathan Duncan <joyoduncan at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Val,
>>>>
>>>>     How did you or others envision a typewriter for SignWriting
>>>> Shorthand?
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Jonathan
>>>> On 3/22/2022 12:09 PM, Valerie Sutton wrote:
>>>>
>>>> SignWriting List
>>>> March 22, 2022
>>>>
>>>> Hi SW List members -
>>>> It took me time to find the scanned document, but I did find it and it
>>>> is now posted. This is a very old book, based on our old writing system. It
>>>> was a workbook for students learning SW Shorthand, so you will find blank
>>>> pages in the middle of the document for students to practice writing.
>>>>
>>>> From an historic perspective, it is interesting to see how we were
>>>> writing in 1982, but from a practical perspective, how we write today, in
>>>> 2022, is what matters...
>>>>
>>>> In 1982, we were writing Receptively, and horizontally, with symbols
>>>> that were not as detailed. By 1984, there was a major change in the system,
>>>> which reflects how we write today…
>>>>
>>>> So here is 1982’s shorthand….
>>>>
>>>> "SignWriting Shorthand For Sign Language Stenography", 1982, is now
>>>> posted as a PDF in our SignWriting Document Archives:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.signwriting.org/archive/docs13/sw1296_SignWriting_Shorthand_For_Sign_Language_Stenography_Sutton_1982.pdf
>>>>
>>>> <Image.png>
>>>>
>>>>
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