[Sw-l] What better way to write sign with more moves and handshapes

Wed May 4 20:32:27 UTC 2022

Dear Ruben,

yes, it is very important, that sign writing is easy to read.

Yes, it's really important that signwriting is easy to read. Hand symbols
and arrows tend to be more intuitive to understand than contact, dynamic
and finger symbols.
Do I understand correctly that you try to avoid the "heavy" symbols, even
if with finger movement symbol may be easier to read. Or is with finger
symbol even more difficult, because it can be easily overlooked, for
example?

Greetings Uta

Profo Rubens Almeida <rubens.escritadesinais at gmail.com> schrieb am Mi., 4.
Mai 2022, 18:32:

>
> Hi Adam, Uta, André and everyone from the SignWriting List,
>
> Thank you so much Adam for your precious guidance, I figured there really
> were no rules on how to write these cases, I was hoping there were. In the
> example of the sign corresponding to SignWriting, I have noticed that here
> in Brazil, the community uses both possibilities, but in official
> publications the writing of the example (3) has been used more.
>
> [image: Example 3.jpg]
>
> As for the writing made by Uta, I believe it is another possibility to
> write this sign too, I would particularly use it for handwriting (Cursive
> Writing) for simplifying by using fewer graphemes. However, for official
> publications I prefer to use spellings that are easier for the public to
> read.
>
> Today in the afternoon, I will record the signs in Libras for the words
> audio, visual, sign and writing with their corresponding spellings and post
> it here.
>
> I would like to thank you for your support and interaction 🙏🏾
>
> Hugs!
>
> Rubens Almeida
>
>
>
>
> Em qua., 4 de mai. de 2022 às 12:09, André Thibeault <atg at videotron.ca>
> escreveu:
>
>> Hi Rubens,
>>
>> How do you write down LIBRAS signs for AUDIO, VISUAL, SIGN and WRITING?
>> I need only one sign for AUDIO, VISUAL, SIGN and WRITING.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> André
>>
>>
>> De : Adam Frost <icemandeaf at GMAIL.COM>
>> Répondre à : "SignWriting List: Read and Write Sign Languages" <
>> SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
>> Date : Tue, 03 May 2022 17:17:38 -0700
>> À : <SW-L at LISTSERV.VALENCIACOLLEGE.EDU>
>> Objet : Re: What better way to write sign with more moves and handshapes
>>
>> Hello Rubens,
>>
>> A very good question. I don’t think there is any “standard” guideline
>> about how to write these cases. It is really what is the most readable to
>> those who use the language.
>>
>> Since I am not native to Libras, I can’t give you a definite answer for
>> both spelling. However, I can give you some help regardless as a native
>> signer. :-)
>>
>> When I personally face these sort of issues, I ask myself if the sign is
>> a compound, which means there are two separate parts to the sign as if they
>> had their own separate meaning. The English words for audiovisual and
>> SIgnWriting are compounds (audio + visual and Sign + Writing). So with that
>> in mind, when I look at the sign for “audiovisual” in your video, I get the
>> feeling there are two parts. Because of that, I would pick the first
>> example because it is written to show the separation. (Although I would
>> reduce the gap between so they aren’t read as separate words.)
>>
>>
>> Of course, since I am not a native Libras signer – my Libras is minimum
>> at most – my interpretation could be wrong and there isn’t a compound in
>> two signs here. If that were the case, the second spelling might be better.
>> However, I would suggest a minor change in spelling since I didn’t see an
>> inward traveling movement between the first and second handshape like there
>> was to the last handshape. (I placed the handshape above, but it could also
>> be placed next to as well.)
>>
>>
>> The same could be said for the Libras sign for SignWriting. The first
>> example is written as if it is a compound, while the second spelling is
>> written as if it were one sign. To me as a non-native Libras signer, I
>> don’t see that sign as a compound and would probably use the second
>> spelling. But maybe it is a compound and should be written as in the first
>> spelling.
>>
>>
>>
>> Adam
>>
>> On May 3, 2022, at 4:23 PM, Profo Rubens Almeida <
>> rubens.escritadesinais at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>
>> Hello everyone on the SignWriting List,
>>
>>
>> Recently there was a question that we talked about in the SignWriting
>> Brasil WhatsApp group regarding how to write a sign that uses more
>> movements and more than one handshape. The example was the audiovisual
>> spelling in Libras. There was a member of the group that did the direct
>> writing (term I use for writing that is not done and 2 steps), however, I
>> found the writing to be confusing, difficult to read, so I suggested
>> writing in 2 steps (according to example (1) of theattached video) in order
>> to facilitate reading.
>>
>> I learned from Adam that this is the best option in these cases, when
>> some time ago I introduced him to the SignWriting script used in Libras
>> with two writing possibilities. Adam explained that the writing (from
>> example 3 in the attached video) was more readable.
>>
>> My question is how can I understand when I can use direct writing in
>> order to save graphemes and spaces when writing signs with more movements
>> and more than one handshape, and also where can I find more guidelines,
>> references to publications that clarify this question .
>>
>> Thank you in advance for everyone's attention and support!
>>
>> Here's a link to the video on YouTube:
>>
>> https://youtu.be/IxD7Kfc2uow
>>
>>
>>
>> Hugs!
>>
>> Rubens Almeida
>>
>>  Questionamento no SignWriting List.mp4
>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1faO20kT8VHNk4EiTzQlcw1bUbta_00jO/view?usp=drive_web>
>>
>>
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