[Sw-l] Question about wrist side-flex

Thu Nov 3 17:15:03 UTC 2022

SignWriting List,
November 3, 2022

Hello SignWriting List, and Hector, Anna Grace and Adam,

Thank you for this message, Hector. Clearly, Colombian Sign Language and American Sign Language are two separate and unique languages and both are wonderful to write ;-)

I feel blessed to be able to write with all of you, from all over the world.

Isn’t it fun to write our different languages and to be alble to share in this way?

Purely from a movement writing perspective, the movement and position of the sign for CHEESE in ASL, based on Anna Grace’s video, and also our previous writings, shows a sign that remains contacting (RUB contact symbol shows continuous contact) while moving the hand, from the WRIST joint, from side to side - it is not flipping over - so there is a grinding feeling to it - maybe that is the way they make CHEESE in the US? (big smile) -

I have added the Rub Symbol that in this case does not mean that it is rubbing in a circle - when the RUB Symbol is combined with Movement Arrows, such as the Wrist Side to Side motion, the movement follows the arrows but remains “contacting in one place” - so the RUB symbol shows continuous contact in this case:

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And there is no “flipping over” like this sign suggests:

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 this is not correct for CHEESE because the hand is moving side to side from the WRIST, not rotating and flipping over from the elbow - so there are a lot of signs in our ASL database that need to be edited… partly because our symbols have evolved over the years - the WRIST Flex side to side was not used much until recent years…and the SignPuddle database is since 2004! So there are some old signs in there ;-)

Thank you to all of you for pointing this out to us -

And the sign for TRANSLATE in Colombian Sign Language, Hector, that you have written, makes sense because I have seen similar signs with the same meaning in Danish Sign Language - but this is another sign and very different movement than the American sign for CHEESE, which is not rotating but moving from the wrist side to side like a grinding motion…

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 Coloimbian sign for TRANSLATE

Shall we discuss writing the sign for TRANSLATE later? That will be a good project too -

Thanks for the discussion!

Val ;-)

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> On Nov 3, 2022, at 7:30 AM, Hector Devia Robayo <hdeviar at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
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> Greetings Valery and Anna,
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>  The ASL Sign for CHEESE means nothing, it is an empty-meaning sign in the LSC (or at least I can not recall anything in the Colombian Sign Language. But in handshape, location, and movement, the nearer sign could be  
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> , This LSC Sign stands for TO-TRANSLATE/TRANSLATION from one language into another, generally in written form, between Written and Signed Video. And comparing both signs (the ASL and the LSC) I can see I intuitively used the same symbol movement.

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