[Sw-l] Termology used in the dimensionality (perspective) of the Sutton SignWriting system

Fri Nov 4 18:47:57 UTC 2022

Hi Steve, Val and all the SignWriting List members,

Welcome to new members!

Thank you very much Steve for the information in your internet draft, I
will use it in a quote in the base book I am working on for SignWriting
courses.

Very enlightening your explanations Val! It helped me a lot because I've
always used these terminologies for the handshapes flexibly, but I recently
watched a video that explained it with a different note.

I also liked your explanation about the hand heel handshapes that are
parallel to the Floor Plan, but seen from the "Front View" (not the Top
View), I will use this example for my signwriting class that I will teach.

Thanks Steve and Val for your help!

Hugs!

Em sex., 4 de nov. de 2022 às 03:26, Valerie Sutton <sutton at signwriting.org>
escreveu:

> Signwriting List
> November 3, 2022
>
> Welcome to the new members who have just joined the SignWriting List… Feel
> free to ask questions and post messages here on the SignWriting List, in
> any spoken or sign language.
>
> And thank you Professor Rubens and Steve, for your discussion of the
> terminology of Front View and Top View.
>
> Thank you Steve, for mentioning your Internet Draft. Do you have an
> Internet Draft now? If not that is fine...They are so detailed and well
> written…If you have a link to older ones, I know I will read it and I am
> sure others will too.
>
> Rubens - regarding your question about Front View and Top View -
>
> We use the terms Front View and Top View a lot, in flexible ways - be
> flexible. The terms can be applied to handshapes, and movement symbols -
> even to the viewpoints of whole documents, for example theatrical plays
> written in SignWriting can be viewed as if watching a stage from the “Front
> View” (sitting in the audience) or viewing whole signs from the “Top View”
> because the depth in the signs are hard to read otherwise, and that
> involves both movement symbols and hands - there is even a Side View in
> Movement Writing that is used frequently - and as you mentioned, Rubens,
> there are Diagonal Planes too - and even Saggittal Planes, which we used to
> call the “Door Plane” because it was parallel with an open door - but that
> was long ago and we tried to simplify SignWriting with just discussing two
> planes - the Front Wall Plane and the Floor Plane - so it would be easier
> for people…
>
> But these terms are intermixed - one sign can have the hands parallel to
> the Front Wall while at the same time the movement arrows are parallel to
> the Floor, and so you could argue that the whole sign has mixed viewpoints,
> partially Top View and partially Front View and yet strangely enough, the
> signs are readable that way.
>
> A single-stemmed arrow, for example, is showing movement parallel to the
> Floor Plane, so it is generally read from the Top View - Most symbols
> parallel to the Floor are read from the Top View, like looking down - there
> are only a couple of exceptions in handshapes - the Heel of Hand handshapes
> are parallel with the Floor Plane, but viewed from the "Front View” (not
> the Top View) -  See page 110 in the International Hands Manual - see
> attached screen capture of page 110:
>
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>
> So the terms are used in a flexible fashion -
>
> Thanks again for the question - I hope my answer helped - I can imagine if
> you need to translate the English terms into Portuguese and LIBRAS this
> might be hard, so ask more questions any time -
>
> Val ;-)
>
> __________
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>
>
>
> > On Nov 3, 2022, at 7:07 PM, Stephen Slevinski <slevin at SIGNPUDDLE.NET>
> wrote:
> >
> > Here's what I wrote in a past internet draft.
> >
> > "The are two main writing planes: the front wall (Frontal Plane) and the
> floor (Transverse Plane).  The choice of writing plane can affect the shape
> of the symbols, such as the fill pattern for the hand shape palms or the
> tail for the movement arrows."
> >
> > "There are two perspectives: front and top.  The front perspective is a
> straight on view of/from the signer.  The top perspective is a top-down
> view of the signer.  Usually, a sign will be written from a single
> perspective."
> >
> > So individual symbols will be written according to their alignment with
> a plane.
> >
> > While the two-dimensional arrangement of the symbols in a sign will be
> affected by the perspective of front or top.
> >
> > -Steve
> >
> >
> > On 11/3/22 7:25 PM, Profo Rubens Almeida wrote:
> >> Hello to all SignWriting List members,
> >> I have a question, if you are available to help me, I would greatly
> appreciate it.
> >> My question is in the nomenclatures (termologies) used for the
> dimensionality (perspective) of the Sutton SignWriting system. I know that
> the category of movements, the arrows for example, can be written in the
> plane parallel to the wall, plane parallel to the floor and also the
> diagonal plane. But, my question concerns the handshapes, in the book
> Manual 2: SignWriting Hand Symbols, on page 4, it explains about the
> perspectives of the handshapes, using the two nomenclatures (terms):
> >> 1- Front view or Top view;
> >> 2- Parallel with Wall Plane or Parallel with Floor Plan;
> >> I understand that for the movement arrows we do not use the terms Front
> View or Top View, as it only applies to handshapes, however, in the case of
> handshapes I can use the terms “Parallel with Wall Plane or Parallel with
> Floor Plane” also?
> >> Attached is the print of the page of the mentioned book. Thank you all
> for the attention!
> >> Hugs!
>
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