[Sw-l] Revisiting Mundbildschrift

Thu Jun 27 19:24:24 UTC 2024

Thanks Val!
Unfortunately, in his old writing, he didn't really conform to the
guidebook he released -
for example, a long "a" sound has this strange shape in the manual:
[image: image.png]
but in his writing, he wrote a normal "a" like in Saal or Bahn:
[image: image.png][image: image.png]

And this pattern persists with other shapes, like "ɛː" which is written as
an "e" or "ç" written like an "h".

Therefore, I decided to populate the values with his writing style for now,
and include the original images he made to compare.
Here is the current version, with a comparison:
https://github.com/sign-language-processing/signwriting/tree/main/signwriting/mouthing

Amit

On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 5:47 PM Valerie Sutton <sutton at signwriting.org>
wrote:

> SignWriting List
> June 27, 2024
>
> Hello Amit, AnnaGrace, Craxton, Stefan -
>
> There are so many ways to find the symbols that are used to write
> Mundbildschrift in SignPuddle 2. Here is how I will do this, so you can see
> the symbols that are used from the current International SignWriting
> Alphabet 2010. First I went to SignPuddle 2 and chose the German flag to
> take me to the German Sign Language Dictionary area. Then, in the German
> Sign Language Dictionary, I searched for the source “SW” which stands for
> Stefan Woehrmann. So I found a listing of all of the signs that Stefan had
> written using the symbols from ISWA 2010.
>
> So all of the signs he wrote appear in a long list. I chose this one:
>
> https://www.signbank.org/signpuddle2.0/canvas.php?ui=8&sgn=53&sid=3714
>
> It is PuddlePage 3714. It is the number “1000”, tausend, written by Stefan
> on September 14, 2007. SignPuddle 2 will give you the FSW and the SWU for
> that writing, which gives you the symbols he used from the ISWA 2010 at
> that time. This is one of several ways to find the symbols he used that are
> already in FSW and SWU. I will show you other methods of searching next.
>
> Here is a screen capture of that page:
>
>
>
> > On Jun 27, 2024, at 2:26 AM, Amit Moryossef <amitmoryossef at GMAIL.COM>
> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks, Craxton. If you could connect me with Thimo Kleyboldt that would
> be great.
> >
> > And thanks Valerie! with the updated resource from 2014, and pointing
> out the inhale/exhale symbols, we are now done with 39/49 visemes!
> > Only 10 more to go. If you have any ideas on how to address them, that
> would be great :)
> >
> > what are the symbols used for the mouths here?>
> >
> >
> >
> > for these - the mouth is specifically not round. what symbol should I
> alternate for?>
> >
> >
> > not sure how to draw this mouth and tongue: (different than "n")>
> >
> > these three are also quite special, any ideas?>
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 12:18 AM Valerie Sutton <sutton at signwriting.org>
> wrote:
> > SignWriting List
> > June 26, 2024
> >
> > Hello Amit,
> > Thank you for this important interest in Mundbildschrift.
> >
> > And thank you, Stefan Woehrmann, for giving Mundbildschrift to the
> world. I used to call it “SpeechWriting” in English, but others called it
> LipWriting or Mouth Writing ;-)
> >
> > No matter what it was called, it is very innovative and successful.
> >
> > Regarding documents, there are other publications on Mundbildschrift at
> later dates after 2010, in books as well as the internet. I will try to
> provide you with some links. It started to spread in Brazil too, so it is
> not only Germany.
> >
> > For example, here are some published in 2014, at the SignWriting
> Symposium 2014:
> >
> > https://www.signwriting.org/symposium/presentation0002.html
> >
> >
> https://www.signwriting.org/symposium/archive/sws0002_Abstract_Woerhmann's_SpeechWriting_Teaches_Spoken_Language.pdf
> >
> >
> https://www.signwriting.org/symposium/archive/sws0002_01_How_I_teach_Mundbildschrift.pdf
> >
> >
> https://www.signwriting.org/symposium/archive/sws0002_02_Mundbilder_in_SignWriting_and_Spelling_rules.pdf
> >
> >
> https://www.signwriting.org/symposium/archive/sws0002_03_ABC_in_Mundbildschrift_For_English.pdf
> >
> >
> https://www.signwriting.org/symposium/archive/sws0002_04_ABC_Tabelle_neu_SW_Deutsch.pdf
> >
> > This one is dated 2014
> >
> https://www.signwriting.org/symposium/archive/sws0002_05_Overview_of_Symbols_in_Mundbildschrift_Juli_2014.pdf
> >
> > All of the symbols in Mundbildschrift originally were based on the
> symbols in Sutton SignWriting, but then they were somewhat exagerated or
> stylized to look a little different but very close to the original…
> >
> > For a sample, look at the attached screen capture from SWU - these are
> SignWriting symbols for Air - they look slightly different, but very close
> to the ones used in Mundbildschrift
> >
> > And they are not arm lines!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Jun 26, 2024, at 8:29 AM, Amit Moryossef <amitmoryossef at GMAIL.COM>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > > I've been interested in writing mouthing using SignWriting, and
> encountered Mundbildschrift,
> > > with the latest documentation being here from 2010.
> > >
> > > I modernized that document, collecting all the samples, correcting IPA
> when needed, and re-writing the SignWriting in FSW instead of using images.
> > >
> > >
> https://github.com/sign-language-processing/signwriting/tree/main/signwriting/mouthing
> > > However, as you can see, I am missing many writings, specifically ones
> that are not easily available, for example:>
> > >
> > >
> > > Therefore, I would appreciate any help to modernize this, by sending
> me any of the missing writing from the table or discussing alternatives. In
> my opinion, the writing should be efficient - I could write the last image
> above (with a plosive) using 6 different arms, but that seems like a waste.
> > >
> > > Looking forward to seeing your suggestions!
> > > Amit
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> Val ;-)
>
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