[Sw-l] Question about mouth gestures

Tue Jan 14 16:33:30 UTC 2025

Honza, I didn’t write the book “A Cross-Linguistic Guide to SignWriting”. That was Stephen and Dianne Parkhurst. So they probably have their own added symbols as well, but you are correct that that one isn’t in the ISWA 2010 symbol set.

Yes, Valerie, the symbol that I suggested was the BaseSymbol 604 which was included as a request by Ingvild Roald from Norway. :-)

If you don’t think BaseSymbol 604 will work for you, Honza, because you are already using that symbol to mean another mouth gesture, we can try looking for another symbol in the ISWA 2010 symbol set that might work for you.

Or you could try to have a constructed symbol to look like the one that the Parkhurst created. I just overlayed BaseSymbols 572, 597, and 598 to get this:

Adam

> On Jan 14, 2025, at 7:35 AM, Valerie Sutton <sutton at DANCEWRITING.ORG> wrote:
> 
> It is BaseSymbol 604 in the ISWA Reference Manual online
> 
> <Screenshot 2025-01-14 at 7.34.29 AM.png>
> 
> <Screenshot 2025-01-14 at 7.34.17 AM.png>
> 
>> On Jan 14, 2025, at 7:20 AM, Valerie Sutton <sutton at dancewriting.org> wrote:
>> 
>> ISWA BaseSymbol 604?
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 14, 2025, at 7:17 AM, Valerie Sutton <sutton at dancewriting.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It is in the ISWA2010 because it’s used in Norway and was requested by Ingvild Roald to write Norwegian sign language and actually is not connected at all with Stefan’s work with mouth movements. I believe if you go to look up the symbols in the ISW 2010 it’s under tongue and mouth and maybe number 630? I am in bed with a bad flu and I don’t have the strength to get up and look in a computer but on my phone I think I found it although it’s awfully small and I’m not sure I will try later but if you can talk with Ingvild Roald, that would help where is the symbol Ingvild?
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 14, 2025, at 5:33 AM, Honza Fikejs <honza.fikejs at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I am not sure if Stefan use is as well, but the mentioned symbol is from your  A Cross-Linguistic Guide to SignWriting p. 133 Adam ;)
>>>> 
>>>> Symbol S35bb00 says "pushing the lip", so it is different from the origin.
>>>> Adam, did you use other set of symbols in the Guide?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Honza
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Jan 14, 2025 at 2:23 PM Adam Frost <icemandeaf at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> That looks like Stefan’s SpeechWriting. Or is it more specifically Mouth Movement Writing or something like that? There are several symbols that were his own creations that aren’t going to be found in SignPuddle because they are in the ISWA 2010.
>>>> 
>>>> If I were to try and find a symbol that best matches your description of “tongue between tight lips”, I would probably use this one:
>>>> 
>>>> S35b00
>>>> 
>>>> What do you think?
>>>> 
> <namesign.png>
>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Adam
>>>>> On Jan 14, 2025, at 2:06 AM, Honza Fikejs <honza.fikejs at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello Val and Adam especially,
>>>>> 
>>>>> actually we are working on mouth gestures description for Czech Sign Language,  but we are struggling writing somes down using SW.
>>>>> It seems, some symbols are missing in SignPuddle. I love Adam's guide containing pictures of mouth gesture as well. 
>>>>> There is at least one, that I am not able to find in SignPuddle:
>>>>> <image.png>
>>>>> Some combinations of tongue and teeth are not there as well. Maybe the only way is to compose it from some components?
>>>>> Thank you for help.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Honza
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Sw-l mailing list
>>>>> Sw-l at listserv.linguistlist.org
>>>>> https://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sw-l
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Sw-l mailing list
>>>> Sw-l at listserv.linguistlist.org
>>>> https://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sw-l
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Sw-l mailing list
>>>> Sw-l at listserv.linguistlist.org
>>>> https://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sw-l
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sw-l mailing list
>> Sw-l at listserv.linguistlist.org
>> https://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sw-l
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Sw-l mailing list
> Sw-l at listserv.linguistlist.org
> https://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sw-l

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://listserv.linguistlist.org/pipermail/sw-l/attachments/20250114/0a6e850e/attachment.htm>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: glyphogram.png
Type: image/png
Size: 316 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://listserv.linguistlist.org/pipermail/sw-l/attachments/20250114/0a6e850e/attachment.png>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: namesign.png
Type: image/png
Size: 440 bytes
Desc: not available
URL: <http://listserv.linguistlist.org/pipermail/sw-l/attachments/20250114/0a6e850e/attachment-0001.png>