[Sw-l] png files of all symbols?

Wed Sep 3 13:27:31 UTC 2025

Hi Steve,
I noticed in the SVG files, the file name contains a meaning in each letter
or number. For instance, the first three digits on the file name represent
the row on the chart of the Sutton SignWriting Symbols. The fourth digit
represents the column; the fifth digit represents the palm orientation; and
the sixth represents the direction of the symbol.
My question is, is there a digit among the file names that represents an
upright position of the handshape (at a zero-degree angle, to be exact)? As
you can see in my attached illustration, the sixth digit (in the form of
a,b,c,d,e, and f) represents all but the 0-degree angle of the symbol.
If I need to make myself clearer, please let me know. Thank you for your
help, and I look forward to your next email.
With kind regards,
AnnaGrace Greenfield
[image: SW, HS direction.png]

On Mon, Aug 4, 2025 at 12:24 PM Ms. AnnaGrace <msannagrace20 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Steve,
>
> It worked! Your screenshot helped.
>
> Thank you SO much,
>
> AnnaGrace :-)
>
> On Sun, Aug 3, 2025 at 10:52 PM Steve Slevinski <slevin at signpuddle.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi AnnaGrace,
>>
>> If you go to the release page.  Scroll down to v2.0.5.  Expand the
>> assets.  You'll see the iswa_2010_svg.zip file.
>>
>> Regards,
>> -Steve
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/3/25 8:09 PM, Ms. AnnaGrace wrote:
>>
>> Hi Steve,
>>
>> I'm still working on a project using the SVG files of ISWA 2010 symbols.
>>
>> I need to download the file again. I just tried the link you provided on
>> November 3, 2023, but it seems to have been removed since.
>>
>> Could you, if possible, please re-release the zip archive with all of the
>> ISWA 2010 symbols in SVG format in the https://github.com/sutton-
>> signwriting/font-db/releases?
>>
>> Thanks kindly for your time and assistance.
>>
>> With warm regards,
>> AnnaGrace
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 3, 2023 at 10:12 AM Steve Slevinski <slevin at signpuddle.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi AnnaGrace,
>>>
>>> I have created a zip archive with all of the ISWA 2010 symbols in SVG
>>> format.  You can download it here:
>>> https://github.com/sutton-signwriting/font-db/releases
>>>
>>> Download the file called iswa_2010_svg.zip
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> -Steve
>>>
>>> On 11/3/23 7:16 AM, Ms. AnnaGrace wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Steve, Wallyson, João, and all --
>>>
>>> Could you (or anyone else) give me step-by-step guidance on how to
>>> download *svg* files to my laptop from the link provided in an
>>> earlier email? Or is there another source of *svg* files of symbols
>>> that I can download to my laptop?
>>>
>>> I can select the symbols among the *svg* files and upload them to Canva
>>> myself. I need them as soon as possible.
>>>
>>> I don't expect to upload a boatload of symbols onto Canva (www.canva.com
>>> ).
>>> Probably 100 symbols at most, because that's what I need for this month.
>>>
>>> Many thanks,
>>> AnnaGrace
>>> [image: Screenshot 2023-11-03 at 8.13.03 AM.png]www.canva.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 2, 2023 at 12:23 PM Wallyson Ruan <wallysonruan at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yeah, I realized they'd be images. It makes everything easier if you
>>>> think about it. The first benefit is being able to get the signs into any
>>>> tool using a built-in support for images, instead of the whole ordeal of
>>>> adding a new font and hoping for some compatibility.
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>>
>>>> FSW stands for "Formal Sign Writing", you can think of it as a set of
>>>> coordinates or a blueprint to create a sign.
>>>>
>>>> With a FSW string you can recreate a sign container, the symbols and
>>>> place them in the right plane, side and "z-index".
>>>>
>>>> All signs have a FSW. I've attached an image to this email, it's a
>>>> screenshot from a Libras sign I just researched in signpuddle2. As you can
>>>> see, it has a quite big FSW.
>>>>
>>>> You can find more information on it in this documentation written by
>>>> Steve:
>>>> https://www.watersprings.org/pub/id/draft-slevinski-formal-signwriting-01.html#rfc.section.3
>>>>
>>>> Em qua., 1 de nov. de 2023 23:11, Ms. AnnaGrace <
>>>> msannagrace20 at gmail.com> escreveu:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Mr. Ruon and all --
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, would I be correct that the symbols would have to be uploaded as*
>>>>> images* and *not as a font*?
>>>>> Just making sure we all are on the same wavelength.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> AnnaGrace
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Nov 1, 2023 at 10:06 PM Ms. AnnaGrace <msannagrace20 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Mr. Ruon,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You made an excellent point about Canva's capability to mirror (flip)
>>>>>> and rotate the images so that not as many symbols need to be uploaded
>>>>>> to Canva. (www.canva.com)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I appreciate your help!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By the way, what's FSW/code? I'm learning along the way!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks so much,
>>>>>> AnnaGrace
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 1, 2023 at 8:23 PM Wallyson Ruan <wallysonruan at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey, Steve and Anna!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Since the topic is to upload images to Canva.com, I'm assuming
>>>>>>> they'd be treated as such, without any intention of keeping track of their
>>>>>>> FSW/code.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If that's the case, I believe that the amount of images reduces
>>>>>>> drastically.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Instead of 16 symbols for each hand, it could be only one symbol per
>>>>>>> hand. Image editors allow the users to rotate them, which defeats the
>>>>>>> purpose of the 15 extra symbols.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That being said, I guess it'd be a lot easier to categorize the
>>>>>>> signs using human readable names.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If I'm not wrong, I saw a table dedicated to English names for each
>>>>>>> symbol in the sqlite db available in the repository I mentioned earlier.
>>>>>>> Wouldn't using them with slightly differences make the work easier?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sure, it'd take some time to get there. But, once that's out of the
>>>>>>> way, I believe many artworks will show up due to how easy and fast it would
>>>>>>> be to put together a lot of signs in both orthodox and unorthodox ways.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't promise anything, but I'll take a look at Canva.com to see
>>>>>>> what are its uploading capabilities. Maybe they already have a way for us
>>>>>>> to upload many at the same time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Em qua., 1 de nov. de 2023 18:26, Ms. AnnaGrace <
>>>>>>> msannagrace20 at gmail.com> escreveu:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Steve,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You are right - SVG files are preferable over PNG files for the
>>>>>>>> quality. I believe Canva.com accepts SVG files.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Could you please direct me to where I could obtain SVG files from
>>>>>>>> https://github.com/sutton-signwriting/font-db?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To make the volume of symbols more manageable, I could accept the
>>>>>>>> symbols used in American Sign Language (ASL). If these ASL symbols could
>>>>>>>> somehow be categorized into a group or one folder, it would help me
>>>>>>>> tremendously in uploading them onto Canva.com. Would that be possible?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks so much,
>>>>>>>> AnnaGrace
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 1, 2023 at 2:24 PM Steve Slevinski <
>>>>>>>> slevin at signpuddle.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi AnnaGrace,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Keep me posted if you find what you need.  I believe all of the
>>>>>>>>> PNG images available are of a lower quality that the SVG refinement.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Using https://github.com/sutton-signwriting/font-db I could write
>>>>>>>>> a script to dump all of the symbols into PNG images.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For each symbol the command would be:
>>>>>>>>> node fsw/fsw-symbol-png S10000 S10000.png
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Be aware though, there are 37,811 symbol in the ISWA 2010.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -Steve
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 11/1/23 9:26 AM, Ms. AnnaGrace wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Signwriting List --
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I use Canva platform to produce anything graphics. If you haven't
>>>>>>>>> done so, I encourage you to take a look at canva.com! You can
>>>>>>>>> create visual posters, worksheets, flyers, brochures, eBooks, and more!
>>>>>>>>> Anyone can upload any image to use on Canva. There's a free version which
>>>>>>>>> offers plenty.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I would like to use Canva to create signwriting documents. I need
>>>>>>>>> to upload signwriting symbols to make this possible. That means I would
>>>>>>>>> need to upload hundreds of symbols in png files.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My question to you on the SignWriting List is, do you happen to
>>>>>>>>> have a zip folder of png files of individual signwriting symbols that you
>>>>>>>>> can pass on to me?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This would save me many, many hours of work.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And I can teach you how to utilize Canva for signwriting!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> With warm regards,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> AnnaGrace Greenfield
>>>>>>>>> A Fan of SignWriting
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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