[Tibeto-burman-linguistics] Fwd: Many thanks

Johann-Mattis List mattis.list at lingulist.de
Wed Oct 14 04:03:10 UTC 2020

Dear all,

surprisingly few people know Humanities Commons, a nice OPEN alternative
to Academia.edu and Researchgate, which I now use to publish all my
preprints and my author's copies in case I publish with non open-access
journals. You have many similar functions to Academia, including your
own website and following other's research. I recommend you to try it
out: https://hcommons.org, we need more linguists there, and in contrast
to HAL, they offer DOIs, which makes the studies more easily
identifiable, and they are surprisingly quick in publishing.

Furthermore, I now tend to upload all papers (which I am allowed to
upload) freely to Humanities Commons first, so everybody can access them
by their DOI, and then I paste a one-pager with the DOI link into a PDF
which I share with Academia or Researchgate, to account for the laziness
of many people, who "demand" papers which they could also find on my
personal homepage. So the PDF says: please download the paper FREELY
from this link. I have the impression, Academia.edu has had a bad impact
on many colleagues in so far as it gives them the impression that one
would not have to search for papers outside of the website, while
searching for publications has always been an integral part of science.

In this way, neither Academia nor Researchgate can use copies of papers
which are anyway open access (either as author's copies, or in general).

I recommend you to do something similar. There is science outside of
these commercial providers. We need to start to reclaim what is
naturally ours.



On 14.10.20 04:53, Randy J. LaPolla wrote:
> *From: *"B. Zeisler" <zeis at uni-tuebingen.de <mailto:zeis at uni-tuebingen.de>>
> *Subject: **Re: [Tibeto-burman-linguistics] Many thanks*
> *Date: *13 October 2020 at 11:13:08 PM SGT
> *To: *"Randy J. LaPolla" <randy.lapolla at gmail.com
> <mailto:randy.lapolla at gmail.com>>
> Dear all,
> A further comment on researchgate:
> I have made the experience that researchgate claims to have papers and
> if you register to download the paper you get the information that the
> author didn't upload it yet. Which is not very surprising, if the author
> hasn't registered at all (as in my case: when I registered, I met with a
> request by Nathan Hill for one of my papers...)
> I do not think this is serious or fair business.
> Most of these platforms also allow uploads through other persons. I
> found a Petech article on academia. And I stumbled across one of my
> papers on scribbd.
> Nevertheless we cannot ignore that for the time being most of the papers
> in our fields are posted on academia.
> Best wishes,
> Bettina
> Randy J. LaPolla schrieb:
>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>> De : *Alexis Michaud* <alexis.michaud at cnrs.fr
>> <mailto:alexis.michaud at cnrs.fr>>
>> Date: dim. 27 sept. 2020 à 09:24
>> Subject: Re: [Tibeto-burman-linguistics] Many thanks
>> To: tibeto-burman-linguistics at listserv.linguistlist.org
>> <mailto:tibeto-burman-linguistics at listserv.linguistlist.org> <tibeto-burman-linguistics at listserv.linguistlist.org
>> <mailto:tibeto-burman-linguistics at listserv.linguistlist.org>>
>> Hi Elissa, hi all, 
>> Yes, those are very handy. Academia.edu <http://academia.edu/> and
>> researchgate are commercial players, though, and they can change the
>> rules of the game anytime. Last week I wanted to open a draft paper
>> for comments on Academia.edu <http://academia.edu/> and found that it
>> was now a feature reserved for paid accounts. There are also lots of
>> advertisements along the way. That is fair enough: the rule is that,
>> if it's free, we're the product. The Conditions of use of Academia.edu
>> <http://academia.edu/> (if we care to read them) clarify that we hand
>> over to them ownership of our papers ^^
>> Seen in this light, institutional archives like Arxiv or HAL-SHS
>> <https://halshs.archives-ouvertes.fr/> have much, much greater appeal.
>> They are free for users, curated by professionals, and they guarantee
>> long-term archiving. So do consider depositing in such archives, for
>> stability and public service. HAL-SHS is open to depositors from any
>> institution in the world. A recent example of a paper about a
>> Tibeto-Burman language is available here
>> <https://halshs.archives-ouvertes.fr/halshs-02945164>. 
>> Preprint archives have constraints of their own (if the publisher has
>> exclusive copyright, only a preprint version can be deposited, not the
>> final, published PDF), but also some very real strengths and
>> advantages. Thus, deposits in HAL-SHS can have links to relevant
>> primary data. For instance, in the case of Dobbs and La's paper
>> in /Linguistics of the Tibeto-Burman Area/: 
>>> https://doi.org/10.24397/pangloss-0004841
>>> https://doi.org/10.24397/pangloss-0004839
>> That's for publications. About data, it also seems worth putting in a
>> word for institutional archives: language data archives that are
>> members of the DELAMAN network / the Open Language Archive Community
>> (OLAC). In times when access to the field is even harder than usual,
>> the value of well-curated data, made publicly available, is even clearer. 
>> With best wishes
>> Alexis
>> Le dim. 27 sept. 2020 à 07:11, Elissa Ikeda <elissa.ikeda at gmail.com
>> <mailto:elissa.ikeda at gmail.com>> a écrit :
>>> Dear all,
>>> I would like to express my appreciation to all of you who have made
>>> your work publicly available in PDF form on services
>>> like academia.edu <http://academia.edu/> and researchgate.net
>>> <http://researchgate.net/>. In an era when we can't get our graduate
>>> students into the country, much less into the library, your
>>> generosity is proving invaluable.
>>> Thank you,
>>> Elissa Ikeda
>>> Payap University, Linguistics Department
>> -- 
>> Alexis Michaud
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