[Ads-l] Wilbur the pig

Dan Goncharoff thegonch at GMAIL.COM
Sun Sep 18 19:02:59 EDT 2016


I was wondering if the Conceited Pig was an ancestor of Napoleon...

DanG

On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 6:51 PM, Robin Hamilton <
robin.hamilton3 at virginmedia.com> wrote:

> I wonder ... They both give the pig the same name, certainly, but White's
> Wilbur
> has a pleasanter character, and the whole story is less edged than the
> anonymous
> 19thC Conceited Pig.  Cultural Diffusion or Sheer Coincidence?  I'd go for
> the
> latter ...
>
> Robin
>
> > On 18 September 2016 at 19:25 Joel Berson <berson at att.net> wrote:
> >
> >     Any relation to E. B. White's Wilbur of Charlotte's Web?
> >
> >
> >     Joel
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >     ---------------------------------------------
> >     From: Robin Hamilton <robin.hamilton3 at VIRGINMEDIA.COM>
> >     To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> >     Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 10:31 AM
> >     Subject: Re: [ADS-L] Where are the PC police?
> >
> >     ...
> >
> >
> >     Only two things of substance I'd want to add.  One is that, as part
> of the
> >     British line of development, there's a lovely short novel called _The
> > Conceited
> >     Pig_ published anonymously (circa 1848).  This can be found (among
> other
> > places)
> >     here (with further details below my sig.):
> >
> >
> >
> >        http://digital.nls.uk/early-gaelic-book-collections/
> pageturner.cfm?id=78655893&mode=transcription
> > http://digital.nls.uk/early-gaelic-book-collections/
> pageturner.cfm?id=78655893&mode=transcription
> >
> >    http://digital.nls.uk/early-gaelic-book-collections/
> pageturner.cfm?id=78655893&mode=transcription
> > http://digital.nls.uk/early-gaelic-book-collections/
> pageturner.cfm?id=78655893&mode=transcription
> >
> >     This is well worth reading (it's actually to my mind rather funny)
> and, as
> > is
> >     characteristic of the British line of development, much less
> moralistic
> > than
> >     Chandler.
> >
> >     ...
> >
> >
> >     Robin.
> >
> >     ________________
> >
> >               On a Conceited Pig called Wilbur:
> >
> >
> >     <<  Chambers’ 1842 version was reprinted as part of his collected
> works in
> > 1847,
> >     and again in 1870. As early as the late 1840s, less than six years
> after
> > its
> >     first appearance, the narrative was adapted and expanded as _The
> Conceited
> > Pig_ (pre-1848?), which introduced a pig named Wilbur [emphasis added].
> The
> > anonymous author continued with _Miss Peck’s Adventures_ (London, 1848),
> > featuring a sour and spinsterish hen named Miss Peck.
> >
> >     ...
> >
> >
> >     NOTE:  _The Conceited Pig_ (London, 1852) – Probably pre-1848. While
> this
> > is
> >     the earliest text I’ve been able to see, there are several books
> listed by
> >     Worldcat as published in 1848, including an edition of _Miss Peck’s
> > Adventures_,
> >     which read, “by the author of The Conceited Pig.”]
> >
> >     In an advert in Rev. W.B.Flower, _Try Again_ (1848), _Miss Peck’s
> > Adventures_ is described as in preparation, and about to be issued, so
> _The
> > Conceited Pig_ was almost certainly printed before 1848.
> >
> >     The novelist Charlotte E. Yonge commented approvingly on this tale,
> > comparing it
> >     favourably to Halliwell’s version and suggested that it was
> developed from
> > the
> >     Scottish version provided by Chambers.  >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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