[Ads-l] Quote: My cousin Francis and I are perfectly agreed on the subject of Milan; he wants it for himself and so do I

ADSGarson O'Toole adsgarsonotoole at GMAIL.COM
Mon Mar 20 23:58:18 EDT 2017


Regarding my Charles V attributed quotation Dan Goncharoff wrote:
> Perhaps he said it in German to his horse...

Thanks for a laugh, Dan.
And thanks for searching, Ken.
Garson



>
> On Mar 15, 2017 2:17 AM, "ADSGarson O'Toole" <adsgarsonotoole at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Charles V of Spain and Francis (Francois) I of France fought for the
>> control of Milan in the 1520s and 1530s. A professor asked me to
>> attempt to trace an interesting quotation about this rivalry that has
>> been attributed to Charles V.
>>
>> The 1853 citation given below is a few centuries too late. Of course,
>> early instances might be in Spanish, French, or some other language. I
>> tried some queries in the Early English Books Online database but
>> found nothing germane. A list member might do better. Are there other
>> pertinent databases?
>>
>> Date: July 1, 1853
>> Periodical: The Westminster and Foreign Quarterly Review
>> Volume 60, Number 117
>> Article: Sects and Secular Education (Review of five books)
>> Start Page 112, Quote Page 113
>> Publisher: John Chapman, London
>>
>> https://books.google.com/books?id=9p1ZAAAAcAAJ&q=%22of+Milan%22#v=snippet&
>>
>> [Begin excerpt]
>> "My cousin Francis and I," said the emperor Charles V., "are perfectly
>> agreed on the subject of Milan; he wants it for himself and so do I."
>> The question of leaving Milan alone was not on the tapis. Sooner
>> should the whole territory be ravaged with fire and sword, and sooner
>> should the throat of every Milanese be cut, than Charles give way to
>> Francis, or Francis to Charles.
>> [End excerpt]
>>
>>
>> Year: 1866
>> Title: Letters on England
>> Author: Louis Blanc
>> Translator: James Hutton (Translated from French to English)
>> Volume 1 of 2
>> Letter LV: National Education in England
>> Date on Letter: March 2nd 1862
>> Start Page 296, Quote Page 296 and 297
>> Publisher: Sampson Low, Son, and Marston, London
>>
>> https://books.google.com/books?id=Pk4JAAAAIAAJ&q=%22of+Milan%22#v=snippet&
>>
>> [Begin excerpt]
>> As the Westminster Review very wittily and appropriately reminded us
>> the other day, the Emperor Charles-Quint was accustomed to say, in
>> speaking of Milan, "My cousin Francis I. and myself understand each
>> other perfectly with regard to Milan; he wants to have it, and so do
>> I." This is exactly what is said by every sect on the subject of the
>> education of children. If Milan perish, Charles Quint will console
>> himself, provided Milan do not belong to Francis I.
>> [End excerpt]
>>
>> Garson
>>
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