Arabic-L:LING:januub vs. januubiyy responses

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Date: 03 Jan 2007
From:Sana N Hilmi <shilmi at gmu.edu>
Subject:januub vs. januubiyy response

I thought that when we say Januubiyy Baghdad, we are making it dual,  
and we mean that it is the Southern parts: South Eastern and South  
Western. But, I'm almost positive, the area is not in Baghdad, but it  
is south outside of Baghdad. If we say, Januub Baghdad, it is in the  
south part of the city of Baghdad.

Miss Sana Hilmi, M.A.
Arabic Professor and Coordinator
Modern and Classical Languages
George Mason University

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Date: 03 Jan 2007
From:"Uhlmann, Allon" <uhlmanna at umsl.edu>
Subject:januub vs. januubiyy response

A question to the Arabic native speakers on the list -- Could it be  
that the difference between جنوب and جنوبي is equivalent to  
the difference between south and southern?  The two in English seem  
generally interchangeable, although not always (eg South Africa vs  
southern Africa), as south (and presumably جنوب) tends to  
foreground an absolute location; while southern (and presumably  
جنوبي) rather highlights the relative location within the lager  
unit.

Cheers,
A.

Allon J. Uhlmann
Assistant Professor of Anthropology
University of Missouri - St. Louis
http://www.umsl.edu/~uhlmanna/

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