Question about flucalc in bilingual samples

Wed Apr 4 21:02:36 UTC 2018

Shelley,

	KIDEVAL computes lammas from %mor tier. To get the same result with FREQ you need to add to FREQ options " +sm;*,o%  *t*CHI ".

Leonid.

> On Apr 4, 2018, at 16:56, Shelley Brundage <brundage at gwu.edu> wrote:
> 
> hi Brian, 
> One more question related to KIDEVAL, which I am also trying to use
> The totals for FREQ Tokens in KIDEVAL do not match the FREQ total tokens. Is this because KIDEVAL works off the MOR line and FREQ off the main line?
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 4:49 PM, Brian MacWhinney <macw at cmu.edu <mailto:macw at cmu.edu>> wrote:
> Shelley,
> 
> Yes, FREQ counts all words.  If you want FREQ to ignore the words in a second language, you can add -s"*@s".  However, for FluCalc, it would seem to me that excluding a single word from the other language would skew the analysis.  Of course, it makes sense to exclude whole utterances in the other language that are marked with codes like [- spa] and Leonid agrees that it makes sense to add this facility to FluCalc.
> 
> --Brian
> 
>> On Apr 4, 2018, at 4:45 PM, Shelley Brundage <brundage at gwu.edu <mailto:brundage at gwu.edu>> wrote:
>> 
>> hi Leonid,
>> I have a follow up question
>> I am getting the same number of words from FLUCALC and FREQ. so does that mean that freq doesn't distinguish words of one language, either?
>> 
>> On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 4:39 PM, Leonid Spektor <spektor at andrew.cmu.edu <mailto:spektor at andrew.cmu.edu>> wrote:
>> Shelley,
>> 
>> 1. at this time FLUCALC does not distinguish between words of one language versus another. FLUCALC considers all text as one.
>> 
>> 2. means that there were no bullets in a file from which total time value could be computed. If you files does have bullets, then please email it to me for testing.
>> 
>> 
>> Leonid.
>> 
>>> On Apr 4, 2018, at 16:15, Shelley Brundage <brundage at gwu.edu <mailto:brundage at gwu.edu>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> hello Chibolts,
>>> I am analyzing some data from bilingual children. The CHAT files have both English and Spanish words in them. In the Spanish files, the English words have been tagged with "@s". I have two questions about running flucalc for Spanish:
>>> 
>>> 1. the MOR words output in the flucalc spreadsheet seems to be counting both Spanish and English words in the samples, rather than just the Spanish ones. I thought that tagging the English words in the Spanish files meant that they would be ignored in Spanish counts, but that does not appear to have happened (I cross-checked word count with FREQ). Is there a way to count just the Spanish words for flucalc?
>>> 
>>> 2. In some instances the flucalc output says that words per minute is N/A. Does this mean that there were not enough utterances to calculate WPM? if so, what is the necessary number of utterances for this?
>>> 
>>> Thank you
>>> 
>>> Shelley
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