[Corpora-List] PS:minimal changes in a paragraph (based on a corpus it appeared) ... (2nd attempt (after first one was deleted))

[Krishnamurthy, Ramesh]

"I think if you harness syntax really tight in a totally exaustive way

(think of keeping all possible n-grams of all texts) "semantics"

becomes some sort of illusion (how functional|irrelevant illusion it

be, remains to be seen)" Albretch Mueller <lbrtchx at gmail.com>



1. This reminded me of a quote from Bloomfield I used in my lectures:



"The study of language can be conducted without special assumptions so long as we

pay no attention to the meaning of what is spoken." (Bloomfield 1933:75)



2. Which led me to these quotes, in the same lectures:



"Indeed, the main aim of descriptive linguistics is to make statements of

meaning"(Firth 1957:190)



'For Halliday the important thing about language is the capacity to mean.'

(Willis 2003:16)


Ramesh Krishnamurthy
Visiting Academic Fellow, School of Languages and Social Sciences, Aston University, Birmingham B4 7ET
Room: NX01. Tel: 0121-204-3812.
Director, ACORN (Aston Corpus Network project): http://acorn.aston.ac.uk/
Project Investigator, GeWiss (Volkswagen Foundation) project: http://www1.aston.ac.uk/lss/research/research-projects/gewiss-spoken-academic-discourse/

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Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 00:20:10 +0000

From: Albretch Mueller <lbrtchx at gmail.com>

Subject: Re: [Corpora-List] PS:minimal changes in a paragraph (based

      on a corpus it appeared) ... (2nd attempt (after first one was

      deleted))

To: "John F. Sowa" <sowa at bestweb.net>

Cc: corpora at uib.no



> How do you combine the statistical methods with the semantics?

~

I think if you harness syntax really tight in a totally exaustive way

(think of keeping all possible n-grams of all texts) "semantics"

becomes some sort of illusion (how functional|irrelevant illusion it

be, remains to be seen)

~

lbrtchx



On 8/9/11, John F. Sowa <sowa at bestweb.net> wrote:

> On 8/9/2011 12:48 AM, Bill Louw wrote:

>> the method I proposed works in other languages.

>

> Which method is that?

>

>> Structural issues of argument are likely to be universal,

>> as the article listed below demonstrates.

>>

>> Milojkovic M. (2011). Semantic Prosody and Subtext as Universal,

>> Collocation-Based Instrumentation for Meaning and Literary Worlds. In

>> Zaharov V.P. (et al.), ????? ????????????? ??????????? <<?????????

>> ??????????? - 2011>>. St Petersburg: St Petersburg State University,

>> Faculty of Philology. 47-52

>

> This doesn't seem to be available on the WWW.  Where can it (or

> something similar) be found.

>

> And by the way, the primary requirement for language generation is

> to make a meaningful response.  How do you combine the statistical

> methods with the semantics?

>

> John



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