ELL: French government refuses to recognise minority languages

Jeff ALLEN jeff at elda.fr
Thu Jul 8 15:36:55 UTC 1999


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From: Jeff ALLEN <jeff at elda.fr>
Subject: Re: ELL: French government refuses to recognise minority
  languages
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  At 09:59 07/07/99 +0900, Mark Irwin wrote:
  >
  > From The Guardian (UK), 27 June '99:
  >
  > Chirac defends pure French tongue against regional Tower of Babel
  >
  > Jon Henley in Paris
  >
  > Sunday June 27, 1999
  >
  > One hundred years ago, the teachers of the Third Republic used to beat any
  > pupil caught playing truant, spitting - or speaking Breton.



  Actually, it is even more recent than 100 years ago.  While I was in
  graduate
  school at the Universite Lyon 2, my professor of dialectology told us that
  he
  had recently had a student (under 25 years old) who remembered being
  punished
  in primary school for speaking patois.


  I'll look into it and see if I find anything more about someone protesting.

  Jeff


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  Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1999 15:16:06 -0400
  From: "Joseph McCloskey" <an_bradan at email.msn.com>
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		On Thursday, July 08, 1999 12:43 PM, Jeff Allen wrote:


		>Actually, it is even more recent than 100 years ago.  While I
                 was in
		 graduate
		 >school at the Universite Lyon 2, my professor of
                 dialectology told us that
		 he
		 >had recently had a student (under 25 years old) who
                 remembered being
		 punished
		 >in primary school for speaking patois.
		 >
		 >. . .
		 >
		 >Jeff
		 >
		 Patois is an interesting choice of words (if it was the
                 professor's).  The
		 student may have been speaking Breton.  But isn't there also
                 a distinctive
		 dialect of French in Brittany called (I think) Gallo?  Could
                 that have been
		 what was punished?  Ironically, people can still be looked
                 down on after
		 converting to a dominant language if they come up with a
                 dialect that is at
		 too much variance with the standard version of the stronger
                 language.  And
		 people can be admired for their command of the dominant
                 language when it has
		 been kept a second language.

		 Joe McCloskey



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		 At 15:16 08/07/99 -0400, Joseph McCloskey wrote:

		 >On Thursday, July 08, 1999 12:43 PM, Jeff Allen wrote:
		  of dialectology told us that
		  >he had recently had a student (under 25 years old) who
		  remembered being
		  >punished
		  >>in primary school for speaking patois.
		  >>
		  >>Jeff
		  >>
		  >Patois is an interesting choice of words (if it was the
		  professor's).  The
		  >student may have been speaking Breton.

		  This was a general statement about local patois of French,
		  not necessarily
		  reflecting Breton specifically.  The local patois in France
		  (themselves
		  grouped into 3 major French-based dialects called O.l,
		  Occitan, and
		  Franco-Proven.al), as well as non-French-based dialects
		  (Breton, Basque,
		  Wallon, Strasbourgeois, etc) also found in France, all
		  suffered the same
		  repression in the French education system over the past
		  century.

		  Jeff

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