[gothic-l] Re: Lundina Gothorum- Cathedral

[hakan36 at SPRAY.SE]

--- In gothic-l at y..., Bertil Häggman <mvk575b at t...> wrote:

Bertil,

Refering to the dome of Lund, I saw the references about it in an 
encyclopedia. It´s from 1987 by Bra böcker. You might very well be 
right Bertil, but I only had this to look up things in. It says that 
a grand rebuilding and reconstructionwork by the considerably smaller 
cathedral that Canute the saint had built around 1080, started in 
1103. You might be right about the church Bertil, because it´s 
unlikely that Sven didn´t build any church in Lund.



Håkan Liljeberg


> Fernando,
> 
> Have been busy preparing for a seminar
> in Malmoe on the 7th (not far from Lund).
> and found your mail on my list of mails to
> be answered.
> 
> Am referring to archaeological excavations
> during the 1940s and 1950s concerning the
> dating 1047-1074 but there might well have
> been later evidence in modern digs, so if Haakan would
> like to elaborate, I think that would be interesting.
> 
> The crypt, with Finn, is as far as I understand created
> by the first architect Donatus and is from 1123 and it
> has been in uses since that. The Lund archbishops are
> buried here with magnificent grave monuments. The
> foremost is said to be that of Archbishop Birger
> Gunnersen created by Adam von Dueren in 1512.
> 
> More to come.
> 
> Gothically
> 
> Bertil
> 
> > Thank you for your response as concerns the cathedral of Lundina
> > Gothorum.
> > Excellent observations and descriptions. The Finn story is superb.
> > 
> > If I understand the posts correctly- you both state that the 
present
> > cathedral seems to be built over an earlier building dating to 
about the
> > reign of (Knut der Helige- per Hakan) and/or (Svend Estridsen -
1047-74
> > an English-type church- per Bertil). There seems to be a 
discrepancy in
> > possibly dates/reigns here- any thoughts?
> > 
> > What is of interest in my opinion, is to which of the building 
programs
> > belongs the Finn columns. The latter is something I have not been 
able
> > to discern from what items are available to me at present. 
Perhaps one
> > of you (or some of the other list members) has something to add
> > concerning the latter.
> > 
> > (IMO) - The story of Finn is of extreme interest since it seems 
to be a
> > statement of how the builders identify themselves. (A great and 
powerful
> > giant) defeated somewhat by chance but whose memory has been kept 
alive
> > in the new "Christian" space. -  The fact that it references the 
heathen
> > origins of that Christian space is significant.
> > 
> > Chapels in the Pyrenees Mountains of Spain and France preserve in 
their
> > 'capitals' (columns) many carvings which do not seem to be 
Christian
> > religious allegories, in fact, the latter seemingly show some 
aspects of
> > Nordic Mythology. I am presently involved in researching the 
latter.
> > Thus, my interest in the Lund Cathedral.
> > 
> > There are many items which are certainly of great interest as 
concerns
> > Lund. One such may be the (partitioning of spaces). As I have 
already
> > stated in a prior post the partitioning of spaces is generally 
agreed
> > (by scholars) to be a distinctive characteristic of Visigothic
> > construction (esp. chapels) in Spain. Interestingly, according to 
Gerard
> > de Sede there is a consistent relationship of the spaces, number 
of
> > columns in the nave, number of columns in the transept and crypt 
in
> > which he believes is evident an underlying connection to the 
numbers of
> > gods and numerology of the old Nordic pantheon. I know this seems 
far
> > fetched, there have been a plethora of individuals that have 
implicated
> > all kinds of connections to all sorts of ridiculous things, but 
then
> > again, the Greeks were heavily influenced by the Golden Section 
<< 1.813
> > >> which can be seen in most of their architectural programs, 
e.g.. the
> > Parthenon etc.... If De Sede's proposition bears out it may have
> > interesting implications.
> > 
> > Of interest also is Adam van Düren's inscription, which, from what
> > information I have seems to be runic like; Am I to understand Van
> > Düren's inscription was made during the period of (1513-27). I 
have
> > taken the liberty of sending a graphic of same. There are 
supposedly
> > many other masons marks some apparently thought to be exclusively 
runic.
> > Supposedly, a double othal can be seen on one of the altar's 
lintels.
> > Obviously, it is well known that mason's marks often appear to 
have
> > runic like elements. I think that the latter is, (most times), 
accounted
> > for by the fact that the nature of the material being incised, 
(stone)
> > lends itself to those types of incisions; I wonder though how far 
one
> > can take such explanations when technology was available to make 
curved
> > lines as is evident here. Perhaps a matter of conserving "time"?


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