[gothic-l] þiuda , þiudangardi

[Anþanareiks]

>The form -theud (people), was introduced for the Gothic name Gut-
thiuda, which in Old Norse developed into Goththjod > Godthjod, the 
last being the form used in the epic lay, The Battle of the Goths and 
the Huns (Tolkien, The Saga of King Heidrek the Wise_ (1960)
 We already established that "tjod" means people.  


Hails Gutan!

This is Vigfusson's entry on:  

Goð-þjoð, 

f. the abode of the gods. 
    With pr. names, originally Goð-, later and mod. Guð-; of men, Guð-
brandr, Guð-ormr.....that men of the olden time used to call their 
sons and daughters after the gods (Goð-, :or-, Frey-, As-) and it was 
thought that a double name gave luck and long life, esp. those 
compounded with the names of gods. 

Strangely,
here is his entry for þjoð.
Þjóð, f., dat. þjóðu, so always in old writers, mod. þjóð, Ulfilas 
renders þjuda, A.S. þeôd, O.H.G. diot,

a people, a nation, 

heiðnar þjóðir, heathen people.
suðr-þjóðir, the southereners,
fira þjóð, a community of men
sal-þjóð, household

In olden times þjóð- in  composition was intensive- great, powerful, 
very, but in quite modern times a whole crop of compds with þjóð- has 
been formed to express th sense of national, þjóð-réttr, þjóð-frelsi, 
þjóð-rettindi, þjóð-vili, þjóð-vinr, national rights, freedom,
as also  þjóð-ligr, natinal, popular, liveral, ó-þjóðligr, unpopular, 
illiberal.
Goth. þjuþ, - occurs only in a compunded form ó-þjóð, bad people, cp. 
Goth. unþjuþs. 

In gothic you have:
þiuda - people
þiudangardi - ´kingdom´
þiudanôn - to be king, to rule, reign, dirived into powerful.
þiudans - king
þiudinassus - kingdom. reign 



An analysis of this,
from this goðþjóð originally  meant:
1) great, powerful
then-
2) people, nation, 
my interpretation, kind, goðþjóð
3) derivatively, home, or abode of the-in this case-the gods.

The derivation of great and powerful seems to have derived from human 
conception, i.e.  
You had a description of a þiuda - people,
the political organization of a þiuda would then would have been 
called þiudangardi - ´kingdom´
The leader of a þiuda and þiudangardi would then would logically be a 
þiudans, a king and þiudanôn - to be king
A þiudans must have powerful and warlike to have gained power and was 
powerful and thus þiudanôn came to connotate to rule, reign, derived 
into powerful.


Thus you see the assosicated in temporal order (conjectured):

then-
1) people, nation, 
my interpretation, kind, like a kyn, kind, or race of gods, goðþjóð
2) derivatively, home, or abode of the-in this case-the gods, ala 
nation.
3) great, powerful

Does anyone see the derivation from 3 to 1





Anþanareiks


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