[gothic-l] Teiws/Tuisto and Manna/Mannus

[Anþanareiks]

Greetings!
 
>There isn't much similarity between "Gapt" and "Mannus" is there? No 
one would dream of seeing "Gapt" as a  coruption in a Mannus-
script ;), would they?<


Nobody stated that Mannus was equated with Gapt or Gaut. As Fransisc 
pointed out, Mannus is Sanskrit manu, ON maðr, proto-Germanic 
*mannus, which corresponds to Gothic  manna "man".
In Germania, Mannus was begotten by Tuisto, or Gothic *Teiws.

" That Ares-Mars, in the form of the sword, was the divine father of 
the Scythians, Getae, Goths, and Gauts was known to ancient 
ethnography, which never tired of mentioning it. Among these peoples 
the god of war had been born and now had died there as well, as a 
Christian-Gothic apologist smugly remarked. The notion of Ares-Mars 
as divine ancestor was appealing, and from it was derived a kinship 
between Goths and Romans. The Christian apo;logist's sardonic remark, 
however, was forgotten: it was most unwelcome if one celebrated Mars 
as the common father of Goths and Romans.
    But what did the Goths name this god? The answer is surprising. 
The false identification of the Goths and Getae now became a serious 
matter. The Gutonic god of war, probably a manifestation of the 
Germanic Tiwaz, took on the additional name of a Gothic Mars or Ares. 
The latter is attested still today in the Bavarian Irchtag (Tuesday) 
while a Gothic *Teiws (read: tëoos) can be derived from the runic 
alphabet. West of the Dniester this high god may have been 
called "the Terwing," for the Scandinavian Hervarasaga transmits the 
name Tyrfingr as the designation for both the Gothic land and the 
Gothic hereditary sword. The sword incarnation, however, is neither a 
Germanic nor an especially Scandinavian phenomenon; instead, it is 
the characteristic epiphany of the Black Sea Ares-Mars among all 
ethnic groups. The Hervarasaga appears as credible evidence for such 
an intensive cultic acculturation because it faithfully preserved 
Gothic traditions." Wolfram, p. 109

A Dumezilian view of an Indo-Germanic view of  dual sovereignty would 
be: Teiws/Tiuz is god of law, war and descent (e.g. Tuisto).

"With due caution we can thus trace the following high gods of the 
pagans Goths: the Ansic Gaut for the Greutungian Ostrogoths and 
especially for the Amal royal clan; a *Teiws, who was very soon also 
called Ares Mars." Wolfram, p. 112 


"The Gothic land is here called Tyrfingr ("the Tervingi"), the same 
name that is given to the mythical hereditary sword of the Goths. 
This presupposes that the Thraco-Scythian Ares-Mars, who was seen as 
the incarnation of the people and the land and who also manifested 
himself in the shape of a sword, had been accepted as a Gothic god. 
And in fact this sort of acculturation can be demonstrated only for 
the Tervingi. Now the "Battle of the Goths and the Huns" also knows 
the Greutungi name, but here it does not refer to an object or a land 
but instead to the "Greutungian Warrior", a demonic-divine person, 
namely, Odin himself. Thus the Nordic epic poetry preserved the 
geographically determined names of the Goths with remarkable 
accuracy. The Greutungi survived as the surname of the Ansic Gaut, 
who is at the head of the Amal genealogy, while the Tervingian 
designated the land and the sword, the objects in which is embodied 
the Scythian-Thracian and from the fourth century the Gothic Ares-
Mars." (p. 27)

Thus, Tuisto, Gothic, Teiws, pGmc Tiwaz, the father of Mannus, Gothic 
Manna, Sanskrit Manu, Law of Manu, akin to Rig/Reiks/ruler, giver 
of "runes" the secret mysteries of existence. 


Anþanareiks





> >Mannus is for instance only mentioned by Tacitus in
> >_Germania_. In an Old Indic account Vivasvat couples
> >with Savarna, a double of his wife Saranya, and
> >begets Manu=man. Manu initiates human sacrifice
> >and human laws, the Law of Manu.
> >Parallels can even be drawn to
> >the Germanic good Mannus, which could be
> >traced back to an Indo-European god with
> >the same name. IE *manu- (man, ancestor of humankind).
> >Their correspondance confined however to Germanic and
> >Indo-European, appears both phonologically and
> >structurally sound.




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