[gothic-l] Re: Hachmann and Pytheas

[ingemar.nordgren at EBOX.TNINET.SE]

Dirk wrote: 
> The proposition that the Goths could have originally settled in 
> Holstein is -I think- based on the dubious Pytheas quote, which 
seems 
> to be mentioning the Goths (guionibus or so) at the North Sea. In a 
> sense, rejecting the Pytheas quote, which seems to be the right 
thing 
> to do also casts doubt on the Gothic origin from Holstein. 
> 
> On what basis can you say that the Jutes were a 'Gothic folk'. 
> Linguistically, they were North (or North-West) Germanic. Also, I am 
> not aware that they shared any particular common cultural traits 
with 
> East Germanic peoples, from which they were also quite far removed.

Hello Dirk,

The Jutes, originally the Ýtas, have the same meaning as Gauts,Gutar 
and Goths - the outpoured/die Ausgegißenen and Jutland north of the 
Olgerdige and the Scandinavian peninsula have since old been within 
the same cultural sphere. The Goths/Gauts religious ideas originated 
in this region  and all peoples who claim origin from Gaut are 
connected, or claim to be connected, with the Scandinavian area, which 
includes Jutland. Understand the East Germanic language is not the 
important mark of ethnicity. I see several Gothic folks but one of 
them continued to mantain a language  more close to protogermanic but 
the others were affected by the first soundshift. What gives them 
their common ethnicity is, according to my investigation, the 
religious origin.If people in Holstein were influenced from Jutland it 
is no great wonder because Holstein was later part of Denmark, and 
still earlier also  part of  Anglo-Saxon culture, until late times. 
Lucky enough we also have some Cimbri later on that have Celtic 
influences which might please you. Besides Jutland was called Gotland 
in the times of Alfred the Great.

Kindly
Ingemar


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