[gothic-l] Gaut, an additional view

[keth at ONLINE.NO]

Hi Tore,
Thanks for your clarifcation.
Are the "sviar" the same as the "suiones"?

>Yes it is correct. Gotland was an independant republic. The Swedish
>annectation of Gotland is as late as 1679 and no Swedish king visited
>Gotland until 1854. This was such a big thing that a large stone had to be
>erected over this occasion.
> Sweden is not a nation but a state put together of various nations and a
>construction  from later times.  The time we discuss Sweden did not exist.
>>From the sixth century there is a Svea (sviar) power around the Lake Mälar.
>(This is the sviar mentioned in the Guta saga and with whom the Gutar made
>a trade and defence treaty at the middle of the sixth century. They are
>also mentioned in Beowulf. The wars between svear and gutar. )

Did you see that there were 7 kinds of Danes mentioned in Beowulf?
East- West- North- and South-Danes.
And then there were also "Ring-Danes".
These could have lived in the Viken area (Ringerike).



>In Västergötland there is a Gauta power. This is probably close related to
>Östergötland over the Lake Vättern. The hilly forrests of Kolmården acted

Aha! I did the Vätternrunden some years ago!
Where is Morttala and Vadstena located relative to the geography
you describe?

>as barrier between Lake Mälar area and Östergötland. At that time the
>waterways were the crucial communication ways. North of Lake Vättern there
>were the big forrests that acted as a barrier.
>Bohuslän belonged to the Viken area with the Olsofjord as the center. The
>links with Västergötland and the Oslo fjord area were probably very close.
>I consider there were three power areas. Denmark-Skåne (The Leijre center)
>. The Viken area with the Olso fjord and Bohuslän with Göta älv as
>important water way and the Baltic with Gotland. When the Svear immigrated
>in the beginning of the 6th century there was an alliance formed between
>the Svear and the Gutnish people, a trade and defence alliance.
>Tore
>
Yes I read that! Do you have the entire Gutasaga on-line?
Is it available in book-form somewhere?
I only have pieces of it.

Best regards
Keth



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