[gothic-l] Re: Are EE Jews half-Goths?

[czobor at CANTACUZINO.RO]

Hails!

Iusteinus is right. The Yiddish had Umlauts, but they were
subsequently unrounded:
ue > i, oe > e.
The same thing happened in English and also in most High German
dialects.

Francisc

--- In gothic-l at y..., jdm314 at a... wrote:
> I'm not sure I can follow the logic of "I'm different, therefore I'm
a Jew",
> but there's a more important point I need to make here:
>
>
> In a message dated 5/3/01 5:04:32 PM, you wrote:
>
> <<> Hi, Dirk! I'm sure that the Middle High German had umlauts like
UE
> and OE but Yiddish has no umlauts. According to the Encyclopedia
> Britannica Ostrogoths spoke German without umlauts also>>
>
> We need to distinguish between the phenomenon of umlaut, and the
accent of
> the same name. Umlaut, the process, is when an i or j somehow
mutates a
> preceding vowel, at least in Germanic languages. In High German the
umlaut
> creates front rounded vowels on u and o, and the ash sound on a,
which are
> marked with a u, o, and a with the umlaut accent. Throughout this
post I will
> use ue, oe, and ae, because while I can make umlautted vowels on my
email
> client, not everyone can receive them.
>     Now Yiddish does not have any of these vowel sounds, but this is
not to
> say that they never existed. It's just that ue, oe, and ae have
turned into
> i, and e(y). Compare the following-
>
> N.H. German     Yiddish     Gothic
> Hand                hant          handus
> Haende             hent         handjus
> Gott                 got            guth
> Goetter            geter         guda
> Bruder              bruder       brothar
> Brueder            brider        brothrjus
>
>     Yiddish may have changed the sounds, but it's clear that some
sort of
> umlaut is going on. Gothic, on the other hand, does not show vowel
changes in
> any of these words. So when a linguist says "Yiddish has no umlauts"
and
> "Gothic has no umlaut", he or she is really saying two very
different things.
>
>
> -IUSTEINUS
> (oder Moyshe Dovid)


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