[gothic-l] Re: Greutung, Treving, Rus

[Егоров Владимир]

Thank you for disturbing our polemics that begins 

to get aimless and mentioning the Roek Stone. 

Just this stone put in my mind the idea that 

Reidgotaland might be identified with 

Hermanaricus' Empire by Jordanes because 

the mentioned "sea-warriors" are good contenders 

for the role of Gothic pirates since III c., 

which could originate from the Bosporus and 

succeeded by "dromites". Accordingly, Hraidsea 

(HraidmaraR on the stone) should be in this case 

the Black Sea rather than Baltic. I'd identify 

Baltic islands and shores, Jutland included, 

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Excuse me for digressing from the theme, 

but I have a pure technical question. 

How do you represent symbols like ? [th] 

(e.g. in rau?s) or d (e.g. in Hraidgotaland)? 

Those are OK on my screen but appear as "?" 

in the Gothic-l list. What have I to do with this?

 

Vladimir

-----Original Message-----
From: Troels Brandt [mailto:trbrandt at post9.tele.dk]
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 2:46 AM
To: gothic-l at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [gothic-l] Re: Greutung, Treving, Rus





I hope I do not disturb your polemics, but regarding one of the 
initial questions I have noticed that you did not mention the Roek 
Stone in Eastern Goetaland from around 800 AD:

".... I say this second, who nine generations ago lost his life with 
the Hraidkutum; and died with them for his guilt. ThjódríkR the bold,
chief of sea-warriors, ruled over the shores of the Hraidsea. Now he 
sits armed on his Kutu(Gothic horse), his shield strapped, the prince 
of the Mariki. ...."

The last sentence probably refers to a statue of Theodoric being 
moved to Aachen by Charlemagne around 800 AD. "Mariki" is also met in 
the OE "Deor" with connection to Theodoric.

The text is not easy to interprete, but at least Hraidgotaland must 
be situated at a sea. The mouth of Vistula is one of the 
possibilities - as told in Widsith - if they in Sweden around 800 AD 
regarded Theodoric as a successor of Ermaneric. As Theodoric was 
regarded "chief of sea-warriors" we shall pay more attention to their 
geographical names than their historical knowledge. 

Jutland as Hreidgotaland is as far as I remember a much later 
invention (Snorri).  

Troels

 
 
 

 






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