[gothic-l] Baltic cultures: was Re: Digest Number 538

[faltin2001]

--- In gothic-l at y..., Tore Gannholm <tore.gannholm at s...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >Tore,
> >
> >I think that this is a very weak argument. Any scholar dealing with
> >this subject will have to make sure that he can access all the
> >relevant literature, be it in German, Polish or Swedish. If you
want
> >to attack the findings of these scholars on the basis that their
> >language skills are insufficient to access all sources you will
have
> >to provide clear examples where this is the case. Also, as the
> >article by Blischke shows, Gotland was the first target of interest
> >when scholars tried to find the origin of the Goths. So that
material
> >will have been well studied.
> >
> >The other thing to consider is that migrations 'usually' are
> >detectable in the archaeological records. Hence, archaeology can
> >easily demonstrate the gradual shift of the Wielbark culture from
the
> >Vistula to the Ukraine and even the migration of Goths to Pannonia,
> >Italy and Spain can be traced in the material culture. Why then, we
> >should ask, is the supposed migration from Scandinavia or Gotland
so
> >illusive.
> >
> >You might say, because it was a gradual migration of small groups
> >over a longer period of time, it did not leave any significant
> >traces. Yet, that is also true for the shift from northern Poland
to
> >the Ukraine. This process lasted at least 100 years and is better
> >described as gradual shift of small communities rather than a mass-
> >migration.
> >
> >Also, you might say that the supposed migration from Scandinavia
took
> >place much earlier and traces may have been lost over time.
However,
> >the movements of the Przeworsk culture into the Wetterau some 300
to
> >200BC is well documented, so is the migration of the Poienesti-
> >Lukashevka people (Bastarni) from Jastrof areas into modern
Romania.
> >
> >Finally, you could say it was a migration over the sea, which for
> >some reason dispersed the traces. Yet, the Angles and Saxons who
> >migrated to Britain also crossed the sea and left strong evidence
for
> >their arrival.
> >
> >Overall, I think you would always be able to find evidence for
> >contact and a certain cultural exchange between areas that are
> >geographically linked, but that is not the same as proving or even
> >detecting a migration.
> >
> >Dirk
> >
>
> Dirk,
> I am sorry but you seem to be locked in a certain way of thinking.
> What you say is that you completely refute Anders Kaliffs "Gothic
> connections" where he points out that there is a common culture in
> southern Baltic including Gotland and some coastal Swedish areas.



Ok Tore, can you then please provide the name of this common Baltic
culture that existed in 300BC. Also, could you explain how the
Oksywie culture, Przeworsk culture and the West-Baltic culture fit
into this common Baltic culture. All of these cultures existed in
300BC and are clearly distinguishable from each other.


> The emigration from Gotland about 300 or somewhat earlier is
> documented by various Swedish archaeologists.



Can you please provide the references, perhaps quotes if you have.


Dirk





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