[gothic-l] Re: dirk

[Sunny]

Hi Dirk,

"To start with they would have to show that the strong linguistic 
evidence provided 
by Francisc is flawed."

In the recent book on The Tarim Mummies written by James P. Mallory 
and Victor H. Mair, the suggestion was made that there may have been 
more cohesion amongst these nomads than previously believed.  They 
wrote in the following paragraph regarding the Yuezhi nomads near the 
border of China:

Da (Greater) Yuezhi or in the earlier pronunciation d'ad-ngiwat-tieg, 
has been seen to equate with the Massagetae who occupied the oases 
and steppelands of West Central Asia in the time of Herodotus; here 
Massa renders an Iranian word for "Great", hence "Great Getae"
 
Others have seen in this word an attempt to capture in Chinese the 
name of a tribe that is rendered in Greek as the Iatioi who are 
recorded in Ptolemy's geography. The original pronunciation has been 
reconstructed as gwat-ti or got-ti or gut-si, which opens up distant 
lexical similarities with the Goths (the German tribes of northern 
and eastern Europe), the Getae (the Dacian, i.e. Balkan, tribes 
northwest of the Black Sea), the Guti (a people on the borderlands of 
Mesopotamia), the Kusha (our Kushans), the Gushi (a people mentioned 
in Han texts and regarded as brigands along with the peoples of 
Kroran), or a combination of some but not all of the above (Mallory 
and Mair 2000: 98-99).

Arnold Toynbee's statement in his  A Study of History:

It may not be fantastic to conjecture that the Tuetonic-speaking 
Goths and Gauts of Scandinavia may have been descended from a 
fragment of the same Indo-European-speaking tribe as the homonymous 
Getae and Thyssagetae and Massagetae of the Eurasian Steppe who are 
represented today by the Jats of the Panjab (Toynbee 1934: 435).

In addition, in Panjabi, the word Jat is pronounced Jut, i.e. rhymes 
with hut.  In Hindu, the same Jat is pronounced Jaut, rhymes with 
hot.  Further, in Panjabi, the plural of Jut is not Juts, but Juttan, 
i.e. Juttan De Putra means "Son's of Jats".  Regards,



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