[gothic-l] Re: dirk

[faltin2001]

--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "Sunny" <sunnyjat12002 at y...> wrote:
> Hi Dirk,
> 
> "To start with they would have to show that the strong linguistic 
> evidence provided 
> by Francisc is flawed."
> 
> In the recent book on The Tarim Mummies written by James P. Mallory 
> and Victor H. Mair, the suggestion was made that there may have 
been 
> more cohesion amongst these nomads than previously believed.  They 
> wrote in the following paragraph regarding the Yuezhi nomads near 
the 
> border of China:
> 
> Da (Greater) Yuezhi or in the earlier pronunciation d'ad-ngiwat-
tieg, 
> has been seen to equate with the Massagetae who occupied the oases 
> and steppelands of West Central Asia in the time of Herodotus; here 
> Massa renders an Iranian word for "Great", hence "Great Getae"
 
> Others have seen in this word an attempt to capture in Chinese the 
> name of a tribe that is rendered in Greek as the Iatioi who are 
> recorded in Ptolemy's geography. The original pronunciation has 
been 
> reconstructed as gwat-ti or got-ti or gut-si, which opens up 
distant 
> lexical similarities with the Goths (the German tribes of northern 
> and eastern Europe), the Getae (the Dacian, i.e. Balkan, tribes 
> northwest of the Black Sea), the Guti (a people on the borderlands 
of 
> Mesopotamia), the Kusha (our Kushans), the Gushi (a people 
mentioned 
> in Han texts and regarded as brigands along with the peoples of 
> Kroran), or a combination of some but not all of the above (Mallory 
> and Mair 2000: 98-99).
> 
> Arnold Toynbee's statement in his  A Study of History:
> 
> It may not be fantastic to conjecture that the Tuetonic-speaking 
> Goths and Gauts of Scandinavia may have been descended from a 
> fragment of the same Indo-European-speaking tribe as the homonymous 
> Getae and Thyssagetae and Massagetae of the Eurasian Steppe who are 
> represented today by the Jats of the Panjab (Toynbee 1934: 435).
> 
> In addition, in Panjabi, the word Jat is pronounced Jut, i.e. 
rhymes 
> with hut.  In Hindu, the same Jat is pronounced Jaut, rhymes with 
> hot.  Further, in Panjabi, the plural of Jut is not Juts, but 
Juttan, 
> i.e. Juttan De Putra means "Son's of Jats".  Regards,



Once again old quotes no evidence I'm afraid. Let us leave it at 
this. 

Dirk 





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