[gothic-l] Re: Salzburg Annales / Codex Albiensis

[Francisc Czobor]

Hi, Dirk,

thank you very much for your message.
Yesterday, after you asked me about that "Salzburg manuscript", I 
realised that I don't know much about it, and I begun to look on the 
web. I also found that site indicated by you. Other information I 
found in Köbler's Introduction (Vorwort) to his Gotisches Wörterbuch, 
(http://www.koeblergerhard.de/germanistischewoerterbuecher/gotischeswo
erterbuch/VorwortGotisch.pdf) where at page 43 we can read: "Die 
sogenannte Salzburg-Wiener Alkuinhandschrift des 9. oder 10. 
Jahrhunderts (Wien, Österreichische Nationalbibliothek Cod. Salzburg. 
795) enthält auf Blatt 20a ein altenglisches Runenalphabet, dem die 
ersten 16 Buchstaben eines gotischen Alphabetes zur Seite geschrieben 
sind und auf Blatt 20b zwei gotische Alphabete mit dem Namen der 
Buchstaben. Danach kommen einige gotische Wortgruppen aus Stellen des 
Lukasevangeliums (jedoch nicht nach dem Text des Codex Argenteus) in 
gotischer Schrift und teilweise verhochdeutscht in lateinischer 
Umschrift. Es folgen einige phonetische Bemerkungen mit Zitaten vor 
allem aus Genesis 5, einige gotische Zahlen aus Genesis 5 mit 
Umschrift in römischen Ziffern sowie sehr verderbt die gotischen 
Buchstabennamen, unter denen römische Ziffern stehen (Druck: 
Streitberg, Gotische Bibel, 5. A. 1965, 475ff., 
http://germa.germsem.uni-kiel.de/gotisch/vindobonensis.html)."
In English (my translation):
"The so-called Salzburg-Vienna Alcuin-manuscript of the 9th or 10th 
century (Vienna, Austrian National Library Cod. Salzburg. 795) 
contains on leaf 20a an Old English runic alphabet, beside which the 
first 16 letters of a Gothic alphabet are written, and on leaf 20b 
two Gothic alphabets with the names of the letters. After that come 
some Gothic word groups from places of the Luke Gospel (however not 
after the text of the Codex Argenteus) in Gothic script and 
partially "high-germanized" [= translated in High German?] in Latin 
transcription. Then follow some phonetic remarks with quotations 
preponderently from Genesis 5, some Gothic numbers from Genesis 5 
with transcription in Roman numbers and, very corrupted, the Gothic 
letter names, below them being Roman numbers (print: Gotische Bibel, 
5. A. 1965, 475ff., http://germa.germsem.uni-
kiel.de/gotisch/vindobonensis.html)."
The webside indicated there is the same as that indicated by you and 
found yesterday by me – it contains only a phragment of that 
manuscript. Like Yevgeni, I would also like to see a (facsimile) copy 
of the whole manuscript, but I wasn't able to find such thing on the 
web.
The corrupted Gothic letter names from that manuscript can be found 
in other sources regarding runic or Gothic script (e.g., 
http://uk.geocities.com/BabelStone1357/Keyboards/Gothic.html); these 
are:
Aza, Bercna, Geuua, Daaz, Eyz, Quertra, Ezck (or Ezec), Haal, Thyth, 
Icz (or Iiz), Chozma, Laaz, Manna, Noicz, Gaar, Uraz, Pertra, Reda, 
Sugil, Tyz, Uuinne, Fe, Enguz, Uuaer, Utal.
These letter names are quite similar to the Norse and Anglo-Saxon 
rune names (see, for instance:
http://www.omniglot.com/writing/runic.htm
http://uk.geocities.com/BabelStone1357/Keyboards/Runic.html
http://www.arild-hauge.com/efuthark.htm)
That's why I understood that the "Salzburg manuscript" refers to 
Gothic runes and therefore to pagan Gothic speakers. In fact, the 
names of the runes were transferred to the letters of Wulfila's 
alphabet, and the information for the "Salzburg manuscript" comes 
obviously from christian Gothic speakers (Gepids or what they might 
be).

Francisc



--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "faltin2001" <dirk at s...> wrote:
> Hi Francisc,
> 
> I think I may have confused the names of the sources. You were 
> clearly taking about the Salzburg Codex Albiensis, when you 
mentioned 
> the Salzburg manuscript, while I was refering to the Salzburg 
> Annales. The latter stated in 871AD that the Bavarian Mission 
> (Conversio Bagaoriorum et Carantanorum) encountered many Gepids 
still 
> living in Pannonia (De Gepidis autem quidam adhus ibi resident). 
> According to the chronicle the Bavarian missionaries came in 
frequent 
> contact with these Gepids and some converted Gepids even became 
> priests or monks in Bavaria. I think it is not unreasonable to 
assume 
> that these Gepids still spoke Gothic at the time.
> 
> Now, you were refering to the Codex Albiensis or Alcuin Codex, 
which 
> provided us with Gothic numerals and alphabets as well as old high 
> German phonetic remarks about the pronunciation of Gothic. 
> 
> Click below for the passage:
> 
> http://germa.germsem.uni-kiel.de/gotisch/vindobonensis.html
> 
> I don't think that the Bavarian mission among the Gepids can have 
> been responsible for the recording of these Gothic lines. Instead, 
> this may have been a result of contacts with remnants of Gothic 
> churches in Moesia or may have resulted from the Gothic mission to 
> South Germany.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Dirk



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