[gothic-l] Re: Another new member / "hails!" as exclamation

[Francisc Czobor]

Hello,

just a completion, not a clarification:
The word is attested also in Crimean Gothic, in Busbecq's list: iel - 
vita sive sanitas (life or health), ieltsch - vivus sive sanus (alive 
or healthy), and also the expression iel vburt - sit sanum (be 
healthy) - which looks like a greeting (or toast).

Francisc 


--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "llama_nom" <penterakt at f...> wrote:
> --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "faltin2001" <dirk at s...> wrote:
> > The normal 
> > > greeting was hails (as in: hails thiudan Iudaie "hail, king of 
> the 
> > > Jews"). 
> > 
> > 
> > Hi Llama Nom,
> > 
> > I was wondering about this word 'Hails'; was that really a common 
> > greeting formular amongst Goths? and if so where is that 
attested. 
> If 
> > it really occurs only in acclamations like 'hails thiudan 
Iudaie', 
> I 
> > would be rather sceptical about this. Hence, in modern German 
this 
> > would also be 'Heil, dir Koenig der Juden....', without Heil 
beeing 
> a 
> > greeting at all in normal usage.
> > 
> > Cheers
> > Dirk
> 
> 
> Hi Dirk,
> 
> How common?  Well, the short answer is: I don't know!  But there is 
> the Latin epigram 'De conviviis barbaris', a snide comment on 
Gothic, 
> or perhaps Vandal, feasting:
> 
> Inter eils Goticum scapiamatziadrincan
>  non audet quisquam dignos educere versus.
> 
> "Between the Gothic 'eils, scapiamatziadrincan'
> no-one dares utter worthy verses"
> 
> (I hope I've got that right).  From this we can assume that hails 
> (eils) was a current expression in Gothic, in some sense, and not 
> just an artifact of Wulfila's translation.  Okay, in this context 
it 
> might be a toast rather than  a greeting, and it's hard to know how 
> formal it would have sounded, but my guess at the moment is that it 
> could have encompassed all of these functions.  Compare: Old Norse 
> heill!, and Old English hal wes thu!, wesath hale!, etc., which are 
> cognate with Gothic hails, and - as far as I'm aware - could serve 
> both as acclamation and greeting.  Do you know if heil was ever 
> a "normal greeting" in earlier stages of the German language?  (Not 
> counting the politically motivated revival in Nazi times, of 
> course).  Presumably the present-day formal & archaic-sounding 
usage 
> of German "heil", or English "hail", preserves an exclamation that 
> was once more common, and perhaps therefore applicable to a wider 
> range of registers.
> 
>  OE also has "ic grete the", literally "I greet you", so maybe 
Goths 
> said *"golja thuk" as well.  Not attested though.
> 
> so goleins meinai handau Pawlaus, þatei ist bandwo ana allaim 
> aipistaulem meinaim; swa melja "The salutation of Paul with mine 
own 
> hand, which is the token in every epistle: so I write." 
> 
> jah meina...
> Llama Nom



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