*gutiska vs.*gutisko

[llama_nom]

Thanks Tore,

So, if Swedish 'gotiska' is just taken from Latin via German, we can 
leave that out of the equation.  Then we're left with Icelandic and 
Gutnish which both agree on including an -n- in adjectival forms.  Old 
Gutnish even adds the -n- in a compound: gutnalþing.  But, more 
revealingly, Hlöðskviða, the epic poem preserved in Hervarar saga, has 
Gotþjóð = Go. Gutþiuda.  As regulars will know, Matthew has in the 
past proposed *gutrazda as a possible name for the language, by 
analogy with Go. Gutþiuda.  Alternatively, thinking about a 
substantivised adjective, we could point to the lack (as far as I 
know) of any -n- in the adjectival forms used by Latin and Greek 
authors contemporary with the Goths.  This might suggest *gutisko 
rather than *gut(a)nisko.  Or maybe these are just be new formations 
in Latin and Greek based on the singular noun *guta.  Likewise with 
the plural forms Lat. Gothi, Gr. Gotthoi, beside Gotones--unless the 
Goths themselves had an alternate strong plural.

We also have the prefix Hraiþ- on the Rök stone: Hraiþmaraz, the 
Gothic sea, corresponding to the OE gen. pl. Hræda in Widsith (see 
Chambers, Widsith, p. 252).  A poetic word for Goths, although 
Reiðgotaland is also the proper name of the Gothic realm in Hervarar 
saga.  This would give Go. *Hraideis, supposing it to be an i-stem.  
(*Hraide razda, *Hraidirazda, *Hraidisko, *Hraidigut((a)n)isko?  More 
often Anglo-Saxon authors modified the word by folk-etymology to Hreþ-
 "glory", just as Snorri may have taken Reiðgotaland to mean the 
Gotland that you could ride across, i.e. the land, as opposed to 
Eygotaland "Island Gotland" which comprised the islands of the 
legendary King Goti's realm: ''Í þann tíma var kallat allt meginland 
þat er hann átti Reiðgotaland, en eyjar allar Eygotaland.''  Any more 
possibilities?  *Merigge razda?  *Taírwigge razda?  Anything else we 
can rule out?  What exactly is going on in OE?  What can the 
continental Germanic languages tell us here?

Llama Nom


--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, Tore Gannholm <tore at g...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> This is the old confusion. Never mix Gotland with Sweden. It was 
two  
> different countries until Sweden incorporated Gotland in 1679.
> The languages are different.
> The Gotlandic words are Guta lagh, Gutland, gutniscr mathr, 
ogutnjscr  
> mathr,
> 
> What they call it in Sweden I don't know. Gothic is the latin word  
> which the Germans adopted and spread to the Swedish language in the  
> Middle Ages.
> 
> Tore





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